1800 Amphibs

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Yes, had the same great tire service around here as well and then there was
no inventory to be had via the Goodyear dealers distribution warehouse. We
picked our tires up finally in late January/04 that came direct from
overseas in a Marine Container ...so everyone probably has inventory on hand
again.

Bruce, numerous times in the archives it is mentioned to drill the axles and
either fill the wheel with grease, or make a tube the contains the grease to
the axle/bearing areas only. I have found it's not worth the extra work to
contain.... for the cost of an extra cartridge of grease. By the time you
need to change a tire the grease in the outer wheel halves is pretty hard
and comes out easily anyhow, yet still lets you grease the bearings and ooze
the watery crud out the gap left in one bearing retainer/seal for this
purpose.

Howard's original Chrome Plate bearings didn't make it through even one
season that saw very few tera firma landings.... before the centrifuge
(wheel) full of water had washed his hand packed bearings clean and the
chrome had chipped and jammed his bearings. After drilling the axle for a
grease journal and keeping the wheel filled with grease (if wheel is filled,
water can't enter the filled space in any quantity and especially can't
carry dirt into the bearings) Howard is heading for the lake for the six
season without even pulling his wheels apart yet. It's a "Fly'm till they
fail" attitude... as the labour isn't worth it to remove them and clean them
until the bearings actually give a tell tail sound that they are toast!
Chrome plate Bearings... last time I purchased were $100 per set of bearing
and cone = $400cdn for the 4 sets you need. Probably able to get them
cheaper from a larger supplier than the chicken %*&$ guy we had in town
(that has since closed up).

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <Legeorgen@aol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs

I live in Spokane, WA and I just went to the local tire store and ordered

a

spare Chin Chan nose tire, main tire, both tubes and had them in 3 days.

Wayne, what is the "full wheel of grease policy"? I haven't done anything

to

the wheel bearings grease wise since I started flying 40 hours so far.

Should

I be greasing stuff?

Bruce

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[Walter Klatt]

I have the tube grease containers in mine. I've haven't taken the
wheels apart, though, since installing them, so not sure how well
they are working. They are supposed to keep grease out of the
middle of the wheel. Will probably do that next winter and see if
there is water in there instead. One mistake I did do is drill
the grease hole in the axle side with the nut, and some grease
likes to squeeze by the extra cotter pin holes and through the
threads of the nut, making for messy wheels. Will have to fix
that too, sometime.

Wayne, if greased properly, are the plain steel bearings as good
as the chrome ones? I am not even sure which ones I have.

Walter

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:14 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs


Yes, had the same great tire service around here as
well and then there was
no inventory to be had via the Goodyear dealers
distribution warehouse. We
picked our tires up finally in late January/04 that
came direct from
overseas in a Marine Container ...so everyone probably
has inventory on hand
again.

Bruce, numerous times in the archives it is mentioned
to drill the axles and
either fill the wheel with grease, or make a tube the
contains the grease to
the axle/bearing areas only. I have found it's not
worth the extra work to
contain.... for the cost of an extra cartridge of
grease. By the time you
need to change a tire the grease in the outer wheel
halves is pretty hard
and comes out easily anyhow, yet still lets you grease
the bearings and ooze
the watery crud out the gap left in one bearing
retainer/seal for this
purpose.

Howard's original Chrome Plate bearings didn't make it
through even one
season that saw very few tera firma landings....
before the centrifuge
(wheel) full of water had washed his hand packed
bearings clean and the
chrome had chipped and jammed his bearings. After
drilling the axle for a
grease journal and keeping the wheel filled with
grease (if wheel is filled,
water can't enter the filled space in any quantity and
especially can't
carry dirt into the bearings) Howard is heading for
the lake for the six
season without even pulling his wheels apart yet. It's
a "Fly'm till they
fail" attitude... as the labour isn't worth it to
remove them and clean them
until the bearings actually give a tell tail sound
that they are toast!
Chrome plate Bearings... last time I purchased were
$100 per set of bearing
and cone = $400cdn for the 4 sets you need. Probably
able to get them
cheaper from a larger supplier than the chicken %*&$
guy we had in town
(that has since closed up).

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <Legeorgen@aol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs

I live in Spokane, WA and I just went to the local

tire store and ordered
a

spare Chin Chan nose tire, main tire, both tubes and

had them in 3 days.

Wayne, what is the "full wheel of grease policy"? I

haven't done anything
to

the wheel bearings grease wise since I started

flying 40 hours so far.
Should

I be greasing stuff?

Bruce

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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Walter !

Thought you might have received a CD and montage print
from Bumble Bee ?? If not, I still haven't collected all my
photos, but will try to get at it - maybe try posting to this
site. Thanks for the pointer !

I was using 35 mm film, and a DVD digital camcorder -
still haven't 'shaken the pictures out of the camera' ;-)
Will try to get to it soon !!

.....bobp

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On Tuesday 18 May 2004 10:45 pm, you wrote:

Hi, Bob. Yes, I still have fond memories from last summer where
you set a good example with us rookie ramblers, and carried
spares of everything with you. I need to start to doing some of
that, too, as my luck may run out one of these trips.

Speaking of rambling, I remember you taking a lot of pictures on
our trip. Can't remember though, if you were using a digital
camera. Wouldn't mind seeing some if you still have them.

Here's a site I use for posting pics that is good up to 100 megs,
no nuisance pop-ups, and you can store full high res pics without
killing the guys with dial up internet. They can be sorted and
displayed several different ways, and viewed as thumbnail, low
res or full high resolution. Here's a sample URL from my last
Wings Over Canada trip.
http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/picview.jsp?album=32800
Choose the "Descending" and "40 pics" options.

Good luck on your upcoming rambles. We are planning a couple out
west here this year too, as you know.

Which reminds me, too, it should be about time for Murray to make
a trek out here.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:23 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs



Hi Walter !

You've done well ! Especially if the wheel bearings
aren't grunching when taxiing !! ;-)

Personally, I never flew any distance without taking
along one of each size spare tire & tube - they can be hard
to get sometimes, in out-of-the-way places ... :-(

Probably time to order a spare set of main & nose
tires & tubes - you'll have them - just in case - and can
replace the old ones next winter, if not needed sooner.

At least one set of brake pads, and wheel bearings
might not be a bad idea, either. They don't deteriorate
if well stored, and you might avoid a long spell of missed
flying ! The bearings are pricey, and sometimes hard to
get - ask Wayne !! (He has the part numbers ...)

Hope you enjoy another summer of fun !! We're
looking forward to a good one - Rebel Ramble '04 goes
North To Moosonee, from July 17th to July 24th, then
down to Oshkosh ! :-) Can't wait to get the Rebel
back from the paint shop - you'll finally be able to
see her !

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.------------------------
At 06:52 PM 5/18/04 -0700, you wrote:

Just wondering how many hours I can expect out of my tires,
bearings, hydraulics and brakes. So far I have over 200 and
everything is still working fine. My treads are

getting a little

thinner, but the brakes still seem to be OK. I grease

the wheels

every time I return from the water, and the bearings

still seem

tight. The gear mechanism doesn't show any signs of

wear yet. I

might take my floats off next winter and take everything apart
for inspection. But wondering if I should start

looking for some

spare parts, like tires, so I don't get stuck in the

summer. Any

thoughts?

Walter



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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Yah, that is the other fear Walter.....is your wheel holding water in the
outer section. This is a problem for winter storage if you don't have drain
holes drilled. Otherwise freezing of the water will split your wheels. :o(

Easy fix for the grease hole on the wrong side is to drill it the rest of
the way through to the other side. Then take an alum rod the same diameter
as the hole, cut to length required and jam it into the original you drilled
and then grease won't go there anymore. I drill the opposite side from the
nut and grease from there. The old grease oozes from the nut side through
the clearance between the spacer/nut and dust seal. I just keep pumping
grease in until the old stuff doesn't look milky and the fresh stuff starts
coming out. Takes a few good lengths of towel to finger out the mess between
the wheel and the trailing link, but the mess seems to be worth it in the
end result! I have been using C.T.C.'s synthetic high pressure grease for
boat trailers. It is pink in colour so very easy to see the milky water
streaks.

I wouldn't doubt in reality if plain steel bearings would be even better...
if kept greased this way. At least when they first go there isn't any chrome
to flake off and jam things...although I'm not going to give it a try for
the sake of maybe a $240 savings on a set of four bearings...only to find
out they only last a year or two vs the 6 we are on with Howard's!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: 1800 Amphibs

I have the tube grease containers in mine. I've haven't taken the
wheels apart, though, since installing them, so not sure how well
they are working. They are supposed to keep grease out of the
middle of the wheel. Will probably do that next winter and see if
there is water in there instead. One mistake I did do is drill
the grease hole in the axle side with the nut, and some grease
likes to squeeze by the extra cotter pin holes and through the
threads of the nut, making for messy wheels. Will have to fix
that too, sometime.

Wayne, if greased properly, are the plain steel bearings as good
as the chrome ones? I am not even sure which ones I have.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:14 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs


Yes, had the same great tire service around here as
well and then there was
no inventory to be had via the Goodyear dealers
distribution warehouse. We
picked our tires up finally in late January/04 that
came direct from
overseas in a Marine Container ...so everyone probably
has inventory on hand
again.

Bruce, numerous times in the archives it is mentioned
to drill the axles and
either fill the wheel with grease, or make a tube the
contains the grease to
the axle/bearing areas only. I have found it's not
worth the extra work to
contain.... for the cost of an extra cartridge of
grease. By the time you
need to change a tire the grease in the outer wheel
halves is pretty hard
and comes out easily anyhow, yet still lets you grease
the bearings and ooze
the watery crud out the gap left in one bearing
retainer/seal for this
purpose.

Howard's original Chrome Plate bearings didn't make it
through even one
season that saw very few tera firma landings....
before the centrifuge
(wheel) full of water had washed his hand packed
bearings clean and the
chrome had chipped and jammed his bearings. After
drilling the axle for a
grease journal and keeping the wheel filled with
grease (if wheel is filled,
water can't enter the filled space in any quantity and
especially can't
carry dirt into the bearings) Howard is heading for
the lake for the six
season without even pulling his wheels apart yet. It's
a "Fly'm till they
fail" attitude... as the labour isn't worth it to
remove them and clean them
until the bearings actually give a tell tail sound
that they are toast!
Chrome plate Bearings... last time I purchased were
$100 per set of bearing
and cone = $400cdn for the 4 sets you need. Probably
able to get them
cheaper from a larger supplier than the chicken %*&$
guy we had in town
(that has since closed up).

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <Legeorgen@aol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs

I live in Spokane, WA and I just went to the local

tire store and ordered
a

spare Chin Chan nose tire, main tire, both tubes and

had them in 3 days.

Wayne, what is the "full wheel of grease policy"? I

haven't done anything
to

the wheel bearings grease wise since I started

flying 40 hours so far.
Should

I be greasing stuff?

Bruce

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[Legeorgen]

Nice pictures of Echo Bay Walter!

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Thanks Wayne, I'll search the archives about greasing the wheels. Are there
any pics of where you drill the hole in the axle?

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Not in archives...will look through my pictures and see what I have if
anything.

Wayne

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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs

Thanks Wayne, I'll search the archives about greasing the wheels. Are

there

any pics of where you drill the hole in the axle?

Bruce

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Also, to save the other guys looking for the "thread" that are in the same
boat.....

Mark a spot even distances between where the bearings sit on the axle. Drill
a 3/16 hole through the shaft at this point. Then drill from the end of the
axle, on the brake disc end, until you hit the first hole to form a "T".
Then tap the end of the hole for a grease fitting. Fill the wheel using a
tongue depressor with grease up until you are even with the bearing cones.
Then hand pack the bearings and assemble everything. Then pump the grease to
it to finish filling the wheels and bearings totally full. Roll the wheel
while you are pumping the grease into her. IF it isn't oozing out, it ain't
full. I bought a dedicated grease gun for each airplane and leave it in the
plastic clam shell it came in from the store. That way it is always in the
plane and can be used more often. Mind you I don't think Howard greases the
thing all year long and it's just me each fall flushing new grease through
until the milky stuff quits coming out.

Cheers,
Wayne




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Thanks Wayne, I'll search the archives about greasing the wheels. Are

there

any pics of where you drill the hole in the axle?

Bruce

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[Drew Dalgleish]

Gentlemen I have 1800 amphibs that I've had trouble with them not holding
hydraulic pressure since new. I finally got around to isolating the
cylinders and have identified the one that's leaking internally. I took it
apart and replaced the o-rings but that made no difference. Is it possible
that it's leaking at the joint between the piston and the rod? Does anyone
know how are these two parts joined? The only other thing that's not quite
right is the piston itself isn't perfectly round it looks like someone
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[Drew Dalgleish]

For Angus you asked to know how I made out rebuilding my nose wheel
cylinder. First try I just replaced the 0-rings and it leaked worse than
when I started. second try I polished the piston with my dremel tool to get
rid of all the little burrs from machining and a couple from being dropped
or more likely squeezed a little too hard in a vice. I then installed the
next size larger in diameter 0-rings and got it back together with only a
little more difficulty. It still leaks a bit but the pressure holds for
over 5 minutes. There might be a little more stiction in the cylinder but
not much. I'm going to try it like this for a while and if I'm still not
happy I can get a new piston from MAM.
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Been one VERY long week....BUT I might just sleep in tomorrow.... for the
first time in over a month !!! CYP is back where it belongs........

I can go fishing now !!!! ;O)

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http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/cyp ... floats.jpg
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[Clay Smith]

I'm considering the 1800 amphibs build project this winter. I have heard some say that they're a little under floated for rebel. I'm wondering if those of you that are flying these floats are satisfied. Thanks for any comments.

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[Rebecca Brownell]

Hi all
does anyone know of a set of 1800 amphibs out there that may be
available?New,used, built, not built,doesn't matter.
I'm on the "list" to get a set if there are 9 others who want them but
I hate the thought of going without floats for very long
after the plane is done.Will take them immediately if I can find
them.Or if anyone knows of a suitable alternative that
weighs about the same as the 1800 please let me know.

Thanks so much
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[Rebecca Brownell]

Hi all
does anyone know of a set of 1800 amphibs out there that may be
available?New,used, built, not built,doesn't matter.
I'm on the "list" to get a set if there are 9 others who want them but
I hate the thought of going without floats for very long
after the plane is done.Will take them immediately if I can find
them.Or if anyone knows of a suitable alternative that
weighs about the same as the 1800 please let me know.

Thanks so much
Jason
817R



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[Rebecca Brownell]

Hi all.In the manual for the floats,Fig.3.8.1 landing gear bulkhead.In
the written text it says measure down from the top 16 1/4 and measure
up 3 1/8.In the drawing for this step it shows 15 15/16 down and 3 3/8
up.This step is for cutting the bulkhead to size.Has anyone else
figured out which is the correct measurement.Ken?The manual has been
really good so far,must be a correction from a later date.Any help
would be appreciated.
Jason Brownell
817R



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