Scott 3200 Tailwheel

[Bob Patterson]

Thanks Ian !!

Didn't know there were cars with composite springs -
another possible source !! :-)

Small world !! That Stits Flutter-Bug flew in to Brampton for
one of our last BBQ's of the season ! We were wondering why he
chose such short gear legs - now we know.... They appeared to be
a bit tooooo flexible, as there were extra braces added to stop
movement, and the legs were tied across under the fuse, as well.

Thanks for the link - an interesting site !

......bobp

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On Tuesday 11 October 2005 06:05 am, IAN DONALDSON wrote:

G'day Bob

I asked a question re the fibreglass springs on the rec.ultralight group

and

got the following answers.

My 1993 Buick Regal has a rear spring made of composite. Might get one

of

these and cut it down. Buick has over 130,000 miles without the rear
spring
giving problems.

Chevy Astro van has composite real leaf springs. Probably get 'em nearly
free at a junk yard.

There's a Stits SA6b that has composite leaf springs off an Astro van as
gear legs. Pictures are here:
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/1050A.htm

Unfortunately there are none of these vehicles here in Australia.

I also did a Google search and there is a manufacturer in Canada!

regards

Ian Donaldson

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[Dave Ricker]

The Corvette also has (had?) a transverse composite leaf in the rear
.......although I doubt you'd find one for free in the junkyard ;o)

Dave

Bob Patterson wrote:

Thanks Ian !!

Didn't know there were cars with composite springs -
another possible source !! :-)

Small world !! That Stits Flutter-Bug flew in to Brampton for
one of our last BBQ's of the season ! We were wondering why he
chose such short gear legs - now we know.... They appeared to be
a bit tooooo flexible, as there were extra braces added to stop
movement, and the legs were tied across under the fuse, as well.

Thanks for the link - an interesting site !

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 06:05 am, IAN DONALDSON wrote:

G'day Bob

I asked a question re the fibreglass springs on the rec.ultralight group

and

got the following answers.

My 1993 Buick Regal has a rear spring made of composite. Might get one

of

these and cut it down. Buick has over 130,000 miles without the rear
spring
giving problems.

Chevy Astro van has composite real leaf springs. Probably get 'em nearly
free at a junk yard.

There's a Stits SA6b that has composite leaf springs off an Astro van as
gear legs. Pictures are here:
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/1050A.htm

Unfortunately there are none of these vehicles here in Australia.

I also did a Google search and there is a manufacturer in Canada!

regards

Ian Donaldson

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[rickhm]

I was told by a mechanic that my 1995 Chevy S10 pickup has carbon composite springs. If this is true I am sure there are plenty of these in the junk yard.

Rick Muller
SR70

-------------- Original message --------------

The Corvette also has (had?) a transverse composite leaf in the rear
.......although I doubt you'd find one for free in the junkyard ;o)

Dave

Bob Patterson wrote:

Thanks Ian !!

Didn't know there were cars with composite springs -
another possible source !! :-)

Small world !! That Stits Flutter-Bug flew in to Brampton for
one of our last BBQ's of the season ! We were wondering why he
chose such short gear legs - now we know.... They appeared to be
a bit tooooo flexible, as there were extra braces added to stop
movement, and the legs were tied across under the fuse, as well.

Thanks for the link - an interesting site !

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 06:05 am, IAN DONALDSON wrote:

G'day Bob

I asked a question re the fibreglass springs on the rec.ultralight group

and

got the following answers.

of

Chevy Astro van has composite real leaf springs. Probably get 'em nearly
free at a junk yard.

There's a Stits SA6b that has composite leaf springs off an Astro van as
gear legs. Pictures are here:
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/1050A.htm

Unfortunately there are none of these vehicles here in Australia.

I also did a Google search and there is a manufacturer in Canada!

regards

Ian Donaldson

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[IAN DONALDSON]

G'day Bob

I had to go and get the manual to refresh my memory and there certainly is a
"bathtub" fitting on the Fus-49.

However the tail spring is held in place between the TS-1 bolts with
multiple pieces of aluminum. Is this still satisfactory or has someone made
a tidier way of fitting this all together.

regards


Ian Donaldson

Ian..would suspect U already have the 2 piece motor mount style fitting in
the tail. The early Rebels had a multi layer of alum strap that held the
bolt and no bath tub fitting attached to the Fus-49.

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[IAN DONALDSON]

G'day Ken

It bothers me that the horizontal stabiliser braces and the tail spring
attachment is just all cobbled together and held in place with 1/4" bolts.
If one of those let go it would cause an interesting moment or two.

I do regularly check the alum angle to make sure that it is not cracking,
but I would be happier with a beefier setup.
But having said that I have not heard of one going wrong!

I have managed to shim it so that there is no side play at all so I guess
that it will be OK.

regards

Ian Donaldson

FWIW the Rebels that I've seen still all have those multiple pieces back
at the TS-1 location. Occasionally I see one that has replaced the
aluminum angle (the TS-3 bottom piece) with a steel angle. (I think
Angus had a crack appear in his alumium piece??) As long as there is no
up down or sideways free play, I think you are fine.

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[Rick Harper]

G'day Ian ...

The 1/4" bolt would still be there AFTER the tail / stabiliser was ripped off !

(Although I did replace the angle aluminium bracket with stainless steel)

Rick
541R
----- Original Message -----
From: IAN DONALDSON
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: Scott 3200 tailwheel


G'day Ken

It bothers me that the horizontal stabiliser braces and the tail spring
attachment is just all cobbled together and held in place with 1/4" bolts.
If one of those let go it would cause an interesting moment or two.

I do regularly check the alum angle to make sure that it is not cracking,
but I would be happier with a beefier setup.
But having said that I have not heard of one going wrong!

I have managed to shim it so that there is no side play at all so I guess
that it will be OK.

regards

Ian Donaldson

FWIW the Rebels that I've seen still all have those multiple pieces back
at the TS-1 location. Occasionally I see one that has replaced the
aluminum angle (the TS-3 bottom piece) with a steel angle. (I think
Angus had a crack appear in his alumium piece??) As long as there is no
up down or sideways free play, I think you are fine.

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[Ken]

Hi Ian

IIRC (If I Remember Correctly)
I believe that mine were originally 3/16" bolts but I upgraded to the
current 1/4" bolts.
Thought that might make you feel better ;)

Ken

IAN DONALDSON wrote:

G'day Ken

It bothers me that the horizontal stabiliser braces and the tail spring
attachment is just all cobbled together and held in place with 1/4" bolts.
If one of those let go it would cause an interesting moment or two.

I do regularly check the alum angle to make sure that it is not cracking,
but I would be happier with a beefier setup.
But having said that I have not heard of one going wrong!

I have managed to shim it so that there is no side play at all so I guess
that it will be OK.

regards

Ian Donaldson

FWIW the Rebels that I've seen still all have those multiple pieces back
at the TS-1 location. Occasionally I see one that has replaced the
aluminum angle (the TS-3 bottom piece) with a steel angle. (I think
Angus had a crack appear in his alumium piece??) As long as there is no
up down or sideways free play, I think you are fine.

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[IAN DONALDSON]

G'day Ken


Just a little better!


regards

Ian

Hi Ian

IIRC (If I Remember Correctly)
I believe that mine were originally 3/16" bolts but I upgraded to the
current 1/4" bolts.
Thought that might make you feel better ;)

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[IAN DONALDSON]

G'day Rick

I'm glad that we can now both receive emails again!

I guess that the bolts are strong enough, but it just concerns me a little.
I like your idea of stainless steel, but that is not without it's own
problems.

How is the repair going on your Rebel? Making any progress?

Regards

Ian

The 1/4" bolt would still be there AFTER the tail / stabiliser was
ripped off !

(Although I did replace the angle aluminium bracket with stainless steel)

Rick
541R

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[Rick Harper]

G'day Ian ....

Repairs are going very slowly :o(
I can only get out to the plane on my days off (it's an hours drive to get there)

I reckon 6 to 12 months :o(

I just got my parts I needed from Julius in Canada ( THANKS !!! )

Onward & upward !

Rick
541R
----- Original Message -----
From: IAN DONALDSON
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Scott 3200 tailwheel


G'day Rick

I'm glad that we can now both receive emails again!

I guess that the bolts are strong enough, but it just concerns me a little.
I like your idea of stainless steel, but that is not without it's own
problems.

How is the repair going on your Rebel? Making any progress?

Regards

Ian

The 1/4" bolt would still be there AFTER the tail / stabiliser was
ripped off !

(Although I did replace the angle aluminium bracket with stainless steel)

Rick
541R

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[british thunder]

has any one had any experience with the matco 8" pneumatic tail wheel?
thinking of changing the original.
This will be my first tine in a tail dragger.
I know most people recommend the Scott 3200. Just looking for input on the
Matco, seems more reasonably priced.
thanks
Cec
014R

----- Original Message -----
From: <rognal@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:46 PM
Subject: Scott 3200 Tailwheel

Some of you may already have this info, but it was news to me so I thought
I'd pass it along just in case anyone else is interested...

I've been contemplating the purchase of a new or used Scott 3200 tailwheel
after reading the discussions in this forum. I contacted WagAero this

morning

and was told the Scott 3200 was no longer available. Not just out of

stock,

but no longer available.

I contacted Chief Aircraft and was told that the manufacturer of the Scott
tailwheels had sold the company (overseas I think), and that Alaska
Bushwheel, Inc. ( http://www.akbushwheel.com ) was now producing a look

alike

Scott 3200. According to Chief Aircraft, Alaska Bushwheel has been

producing

most of the parts for the original Scott 3200 tailwheel anyway, so when

the

original company was sold, Alaska Bushwheel began manufacture. They are

also

making a 'Tundra' conversion kit which includes a larger, wider fork with

a

larger, wider tire for the Scott 3200. They have pictures at
http://www.akbushwheel.com/3200TundraTailwheel.html

Chief Aircraft ( http://www.chiefaircraft.com ) is selling the Alaska
Bushwheel Scott 3200 look alike for $938.50. They call it the model ABI

3224A

and it comes with the heavy duty steering arm. Parts are supposed to be
interchangeable between the original Scott 3200's and the Alaska Bushwheel
version.

Aircraft Spruce is advertising the Scott 3200 for $1281.00 USD. A used

Scott

3200 just sold on Ebay for $676.66 USD.

Anyone have any positive/negative experience with Alaska Bushwheel

products

or the company?

Just FYI

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!









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[steve whitenect]

Broke the steering pin on mine and returned it. Ken B got rid of his also.
Both installed on tandum aircraft which are a bit harder on the tail.

Steve W.

From: "british thunder" <britishthunder@sympatico.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Scott 3200 Tailwheel
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:01:18 -0500

has any one had any experience with the matco 8" pneumatic tail wheel?
thinking of changing the original.
This will be my first tine in a tail dragger.
I know most people recommend the Scott 3200. Just looking for input on the
Matco, seems more reasonably priced.
thanks
Cec
014R

----- Original Message -----
From: <rognal@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:46 PM
Subject: Scott 3200 Tailwheel

Some of you may already have this info, but it was news to me so I

thought

I'd pass it along just in case anyone else is interested...

I've been contemplating the purchase of a new or used Scott 3200

tailwheel

after reading the discussions in this forum. I contacted WagAero this

morning

and was told the Scott 3200 was no longer available. Not just out of

stock,

but no longer available.

I contacted Chief Aircraft and was told that the manufacturer of the

Scott

tailwheels had sold the company (overseas I think), and that Alaska
Bushwheel, Inc. ( http://www.akbushwheel.com ) was now producing a look

alike

Scott 3200. According to Chief Aircraft, Alaska Bushwheel has been

producing

most of the parts for the original Scott 3200 tailwheel anyway, so when

the

original company was sold, Alaska Bushwheel began manufacture. They are

also

making a 'Tundra' conversion kit which includes a larger, wider fork

with
a

larger, wider tire for the Scott 3200. They have pictures at
http://www.akbushwheel.com/3200TundraTailwheel.html

Chief Aircraft ( http://www.chiefaircraft.com ) is selling the Alaska
Bushwheel Scott 3200 look alike for $938.50. They call it the model ABI

3224A

and it comes with the heavy duty steering arm. Parts are supposed to be
interchangeable between the original Scott 3200's and the Alaska

Bushwheel

version.

Aircraft Spruce is advertising the Scott 3200 for $1281.00 USD. A used

Scott

3200 just sold on Ebay for $676.66 USD.

Anyone have any positive/negative experience with Alaska Bushwheel

products

or the company?

Just FYI

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!









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[Ian Donaldson]

G'day


I have just fitted a Scott 3200 tailwheel to my 912 Rebel and I am pleased
to say that the difference is amazing.

The ride and the general handling is greatly improved and even the oil
canning noises that she made is reduced.

I have noticed that I need a little more nose down trim so I guess the extra
3 pounds at the back have made a difference, but things work out OK with the
weight and balance.

Anyone want to buy a used rebel tailwheel? Cheap!


regards

Ian




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