What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

[Dick Shotwell]

Hello Ryan,
Welcome to the list !!!
Dick Shotwell
Moose 096
N235DS
Twin Falls, ID





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[brad]

Unfortunatly your right not much water around Saskatoon (other than the river
running through it)

If you are running on floats we have a great little cabin on Wakaw lake. Aprox
100 kms from the city.

We are quite a bit south east of Yellowknife.

Brad R195
bhewlett@omni-techsys.com


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-> Hey Brad, flew right by there last year on my way back to the coast from
Swan River, Man. (nice easy day trip). Didn't see a lot of water around
there, though. Stopped at Humboldt for fuel, and got swarmed by grasshoppers
while there. I think I still have a few of them stuck in the leading edges of
my wings... But if we do go to Yellowknife next June, you're just south of
there, right?
->
-> Walter
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: brad@dcsol.com
-> Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2004 1:09 pm
-> Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??
->
-> > As you guys are talking about trips East and West keep in mind a
-> > place called
-> > Saskatoon. (yes in Saskatchewan)
-> >
-> > Great hospitality for a night or two as you are passing by.
-> >
-> > Brad, R195
-> > bhewlett@omni-techsys.com
-> >
-> > > -> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:52:28 -0800
-> > -> From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> > -> Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your
-> > floatplane> ->
-> > -> Hey, Bruce, no problem with doing stuff around BC next year. I
-> > -> just don't think I can take 2 weeks to go on a longer trip out
-> > -> east. 2006 should be OK for that. And no problem keeping the
-> > -> camping gear for you. Don't think you'll need it in the winter
-> > -> anyway.
-> > ->
-> > -> There is also a floatplane fly-in in June to Yellowknife next
-> > -> year, so might take a week for that, too.
-> > ->
-> > -> Walter
-> > ->
-> > -> > -----Original Message-----
-> > -> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > -> > [mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> > -> > Legeorgen@aol.com
-> > -> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:32 AM
-> > -> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > -> > Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
-> > -> > your floatplane??
-> > -> >
-> > -> >
-> > -> > Sounds like a great time Wayne. I'm for 2006 as well
-> > -> > for it will take me all
-> > -> > summer to finish the cabin. I'm planning on some local
-> > -> > stuff like Arlington
-> > -> > and then BC if Walter has the time as it sounds like
-> > -> > he will be busy next summer
-> > -> > too.
-> > -> >
-> > -> > Walter, I have to retrieve all that camping gear I
-> > -> > left in your garage.
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-> > -> > Bruce
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[Angus McKenzie]

Hi Brad
I could have called you in Oct when we were in Yorkton for 3 days then 2
days in Lucky Lake with our amphib.........Angus


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Subject: Re: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

Hey Brad, flew right by there last year on my way back to the coast from

Swan River, Man. (nice easy day trip). Didn't see a lot of water around
there, though. Stopped at Humboldt for fuel, and got swarmed by grasshoppers
while there. I think I still have a few of them stuck in the leading edges
of my wings... But if we do go to Yellowknife next June, you're just south
of there, right?

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: brad@dcsol.com
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2004 1:09 pm
Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

As you guys are talking about trips East and West keep in mind a
place called
Saskatoon. (yes in Saskatchewan)

Great hospitality for a night or two as you are passing by.

Brad, R195
bhewlett@omni-techsys.com

-> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:52:28 -0800

-> From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your
floatplane> ->
-> Hey, Bruce, no problem with doing stuff around BC next year. I
-> just don't think I can take 2 weeks to go on a longer trip out
-> east. 2006 should be OK for that. And no problem keeping the
-> camping gear for you. Don't think you'll need it in the winter
-> anyway.
->
-> There is also a floatplane fly-in in June to Yellowknife next
-> year, so might take a week for that, too.
->
-> Walter
->
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > [mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> > Legeorgen@aol.com
-> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:32 AM
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
-> > your floatplane??
-> >
-> >
-> > Sounds like a great time Wayne. I'm for 2006 as well
-> > for it will take me all
-> > summer to finish the cabin. I'm planning on some local
-> > stuff like Arlington
-> > and then BC if Walter has the time as it sounds like
-> > he will be busy next summer
-> > too.
-> >
-> > Walter, I have to retrieve all that camping gear I
-> > left in your garage.
-> >
-> > Bruce
-> >
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[brad]

Angus,

Keep it mind next time your in the area. Were always open to visitors.

Brad,
Bhewlett@omni-techsys.com





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-> I could have called you in Oct when we were in Yorkton for 3 days then 2
-> days in Lucky Lake with our amphib.........Angus
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->
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->
->
-> > Hey Brad, flew right by there last year on my way back to the coast from
-> Swan River, Man. (nice easy day trip). Didn't see a lot of water around
-> there, though. Stopped at Humboldt for fuel, and got swarmed by
grasshoppers
-> while there. I think I still have a few of them stuck in the leading edges
-> of my wings... But if we do go to Yellowknife next June, you're just south
-> of there, right?
-> >
-> > Walter
-> >
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: brad@dcsol.com
-> > Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2004 1:09 pm
-> > Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??
-> >
-> > > As you guys are talking about trips East and West keep in mind a
-> > > place called
-> > > Saskatoon. (yes in Saskatchewan)
-> > >
-> > > Great hospitality for a night or two as you are passing by.
-> > >
-> > > Brad, R195
-> > > bhewlett@omni-techsys.com
-> > >
-> > > > -> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:52:28 -0800
-> > > -> From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> > > -> Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your
-> > > floatplane> ->
-> > > -> Hey, Bruce, no problem with doing stuff around BC next year. I
-> > > -> just don't think I can take 2 weeks to go on a longer trip out
-> > > -> east. 2006 should be OK for that. And no problem keeping the
-> > > -> camping gear for you. Don't think you'll need it in the winter
-> > > -> anyway.
-> > > ->
-> > > -> There is also a floatplane fly-in in June to Yellowknife next
-> > > -> year, so might take a week for that, too.
-> > > ->
-> > > -> Walter
-> > > ->
-> > > -> > -----Original Message-----
-> > > -> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > > -> > [mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> > > -> > Legeorgen@aol.com
-> > > -> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:32 AM
-> > > -> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > > -> > Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
-> > > -> > your floatplane??
-> > > -> >
-> > > -> >
-> > > -> > Sounds like a great time Wayne. I'm for 2006 as well
-> > > -> > for it will take me all
-> > > -> > summer to finish the cabin. I'm planning on some local
-> > > -> > stuff like Arlington
-> > > -> > and then BC if Walter has the time as it sounds like
-> > > -> > he will be busy next summer
-> > > -> > too.
-> > > -> >
-> > > -> > Walter, I have to retrieve all that camping gear I
-> > > -> > left in your garage.
-> > > -> >
-> > > -> > Bruce
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[Drew Dalgleish]

Hi Wayne I read that book too. What I meant to ask was how well they climb
a boat ramp with the wheels down.

At 10:53 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:

I've been told so far that you want to keep the pitch of the ramp between
1/12 and 2/12.

About 20 feet out from the dock you go full back stick and power to plow a
water wave ahead of you and this both wets the ramp and cushions the keel
hitting the ramp and you power up until it "sticks". Tie the sucker down.
Then to leave you hang onto a rope attached to your rear cleat, push down on
the bows of the floats to get it to unstick and slide backwards into the
water. Use the rope to spin the plane around and pull up backwards to board
and drive away.

Sure others have better advice..mines all read and no practical.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

That brings up another question I've had. How steep a boat ramp will the
plane climb or is going down a bigger challenge

At 10:36 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:

And don't you just hate those lists!!??..where nobody uses their real

names

and are quick to jump down your throat if you get even slightly off

topic..

and usually only because you can't find where they live to

retaliate..since

you don't even know who they are!!

Sorry to anyone that thinks I (we) get a bit off track from time to time
around here...but I think it brings us all much more together as a

"family"

with common interests and uses of airplanes. I know talks of guys having

fun

with the finished product might be a little frustrating to the guy just
starting his tailfeathers,...but I know it helps "light a fire" under a
number of builders out there to get the thing done and enjoy it.

As for beaching the float plane. I'd be inclined to find a dead fall tree

or

drift wood to put under the float keels if beaching for any time period.
Sand can be pretty abrasive and don't forget that stirring it up around

the

amphib gear mechanism is not the greatest idea. All depends on the

shoreline

I guess. Some places around Georgian Bay ( The rocky section of Lake

Huron)

you can just put the gear down and drive right up onto the rock shoals.

On

other mixture shorelines I'd be temped to put the gear down and then pull

it

backwards onto the beach as best I could so the tires and not the keels
where on bottom and tie off with those 2 x 50' ropes you should be

carrying

(at a minimum). At least that way if the wind comes up in the night the
tires are banging bottom and not that .025/.032 aluminum sheet.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <bransom@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

lists

go question

docks.

How

do

okay

thru

:) )

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[WALTER KLATT]

Haven't found one yet that was too steep too climb. It's going down them that scares me, especially the narrow ones. It's the differential brakes I don't trust, because if one is grabbing more than the other, you could be in trouble. On a steep one, I like to have one or more persons hanging onto the back when going down.

And then don't forget to pull up that gear before trying to take off. I still remember that million dollar turbine Beaver at Nimpo Lake last summer that forgot to do that. And that was with about 30 BCFA member pilots watching. It was amazing to see how fast that big prop could grab water.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2004 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

Hi Wayne I read that book too. What I meant to ask was how well
they climb
a boat ramp with the wheels down.

At 10:53 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:

I've been told so far that you want to keep the pitch of the ramp

between>1/12 and 2/12.

About 20 feet out from the dock you go full back stick and power

to plow a

water wave ahead of you and this both wets the ramp and cushions

the keel

hitting the ramp and you power up until it "sticks". Tie the

sucker down.

Then to leave you hang onto a rope attached to your rear cleat,

push down on

the bows of the floats to get it to unstick and slide backwards

into the

water. Use the rope to spin the plane around and pull up

backwards to board

and drive away.

Sure others have better advice..mines all read and no practical.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

That brings up another question I've had. How steep a boat ramp

will the

plane climb or is going down a bigger challenge

At 10:36 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:

their real

names

slightly off

topic..

retaliate..since

time to time

as a

"family"

guys having

fun

guy just

fire" under a

dead fall tree

or

time period.

up around

the

shoreline

of Lake

Huron)

rock shoals.

On

and then pull

it

the keels

should be

carrying

night the

floatplane??>> >

homebuild>lists

another>> >question

are no

docks.

be easy.

How

to sleep

okay

short nap

:) )

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--

--

Drew





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[Drew Dalgleish]

Thanks Walter There's a boat ramp around the corner from our cottage with
a nice grass area that I could probably get my tie down screws into. I've
considered getting it out of the water when stormy weathers coming but
since it's right beside the highway I'd be worrying all night about the
storm and vandalism.


At 01:44 PM 11/3/2004 -0800, you wrote:

Haven't found one yet that was too steep too climb. It's going down them

that scares me, especially the narrow ones. It's the differential brakes I
don't trust, because if one is grabbing more than the other, you could be
in trouble. On a steep one, I like to have one or more persons hanging onto
the back when going down.

And then don't forget to pull up that gear before trying to take off. I

still remember that million dollar turbine Beaver at Nimpo Lake last summer
that forgot to do that. And that was with about 30 BCFA member pilots
watching. It was amazing to see how fast that big prop could grab water.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2004 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

Hi Wayne I read that book too. What I meant to ask was how well
they climb
a boat ramp with the wheels down.

At 10:53 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:

I've been told so far that you want to keep the pitch of the ramp

between>1/12 and 2/12.

About 20 feet out from the dock you go full back stick and power

to plow a

water wave ahead of you and this both wets the ramp and cushions

the keel

hitting the ramp and you power up until it "sticks". Tie the

sucker down.

Then to leave you hang onto a rope attached to your rear cleat,

push down on

the bows of the floats to get it to unstick and slide backwards

into the

water. Use the rope to spin the plane around and pull up

backwards to board

and drive away.

Sure others have better advice..mines all read and no practical.

Wayne

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From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

will the

their real

names

slightly off

topic.. retaliate..since

time to time

as a

"family"

guys having

fun

guy just

fire" under a

dead fall tree

or

time period.

up around

the shoreline

of Lake

Huron)

rock shoals.

On

and then pull

it

the keels

should be

carrying

night the

floatplane??>> >

homebuild>lists

another>> >question

are no

docks.

be easy.

How

to sleep

okay

short nap

:) )

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

I guess the only real limitation for going down the ramp would be that the
angle difference between the water and ramp wasn't steeper than the rear
keel slope. Otherwise if you got the forward section of the floats into the
water and they went level the heels of the float would drag down the ramp.

I would also be tempted to go down a steep ramp with the ramp engine off and
let it just roll under braking. Would hate to have it get going too fast....
submerge the float noses and catch the prop in the water. Have to go pretty
deep to hit the prop if the floats are mounted per MAM's instructions, but
better safe than sorry.

Amphibs use to be able to come up the Penetang Harbour boat launch ramp and
park in the trailer parking area...but when they redid the ramp they made it
too steep and then of course there's that darn booth (for the bugger that
collects $15 for every in/out..even from town residents) that's in a wings
way !

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

Hi Wayne I read that book too. What I meant to ask was how well they climb
a boat ramp with the wheels down.

At 10:53 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:

I've been told so far that you want to keep the pitch of the ramp between
1/12 and 2/12.

About 20 feet out from the dock you go full back stick and power to plow

a

water wave ahead of you and this both wets the ramp and cushions the keel
hitting the ramp and you power up until it "sticks". Tie the sucker down.
Then to leave you hang onto a rope attached to your rear cleat, push down

on

the bows of the floats to get it to unstick and slide backwards into the
water. Use the rope to spin the plane around and pull up backwards to

board

and drive away.

Sure others have better advice..mines all read and no practical.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

That brings up another question I've had. How steep a boat ramp will

the

plane climb or is going down a bigger challenge

At 10:36 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:

names

topic..

retaliate..since

time

"family"

having

fun

just

a

tree

or

period.

around

the

shoreline

Huron)

shoals.

On

pull

it

keels

carrying

the

lists

docks.

How

okay

:) )

Drew





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[Bill Delcambre]

Can't speak about Rebels, but I can tell you that a Kitfox on amphibs
with a 912 climbs ramps extraordinarily well. Surprised the heck out
of me, actually. A whole bunch of fun, too.

Bill


On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:20:53 -0500, Drew Dalgleish
<drewjan@cabletv.on.ca> wrote:

Hi Wayne I read that book too. What I meant to ask was how well they climb
a boat ramp with the wheels down.

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[Legeorgen]

If your differential braking is bad or you have a weak brake and you get
turned at an angle so one float hits the water first and digs in, our worse you
may run off the side of the ramp, you can flip the plane. It has apparently
happened as I have seen pictures in Dale Deremers Book.

I can remember a very long ramp at Fort Langley last summer. It was not so
steep but very long and I had a weak brake at the time, Coming down I start to
turn so I chose to stop braking as much to keep it straight and I hit the water
going faster than I would have liked but the Rebel did just fine.

Keep it straight on the ramp is my experience.




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