1800 Amphibs

[Andy Bowman]

hi Wayne,

thanks for the info. next time we will read before we ask.
i really enjoyed the tall building story.

going flying. just too nice to work.

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[klehman]

I gather the Rebel does not have any trouble getting on the step when
heavy like some floatplanes do? If it does, higher struts might help
rotating forward onto the step...

On another type, I've heard ;) of occasions where all the pax positioned
themselves as far forward as possible until the aircraft was on the
step. Then while still a motorboat, seat belts were fastened, then
takeoff was completed...

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

snip
Lower mounting has the advantages of the lower thrust line (thus less moment
arm from water level to the thrust line), shorter thus slightly stronger
struts, and of course a shorter ladder is required to fuel.
snip

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[Walter Klatt]

You know, this could be a big point. It definitely does
rotate forward very easily, even when heavily loaded. I
haven't flown in Steve's so can't compare, but would
like to see how his does when loaded to 1900 plus.

Walter

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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 5:44 AM
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Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs


I gather the Rebel does not have any trouble
getting on the step when
heavy like some floatplanes do? If it does,
higher struts might help
rotating forward onto the step...

On another type, I've heard ;) of occasions
where all the pax positioned
themselves as far forward as possible until
the aircraft was on the
step. Then while still a motorboat, seat
belts were fastened, then
takeoff was completed...

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

snip
Lower mounting has the advantages of the

lower thrust line (thus less moment

arm from water level to the thrust line),

shorter thus slightly stronger

struts, and of course a shorter ladder is

required to fuel.

snip

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[Walter Klatt]

Just wondering how many hours I can expect out of my tires,
bearings, hydraulics and brakes. So far I have over 200 and
everything is still working fine. My treads are getting a little
thinner, but the brakes still seem to be OK. I grease the wheels
every time I return from the water, and the bearings still seem
tight. The gear mechanism doesn't show any signs of wear yet. I
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[Walter Klatt]

Thanks Wayne. I remember some talk on the list about these Chin
Chan tires, and I can go search the archives. Where did you get
them? Haven't asked MAM, but expect they must sell replacement
parts, and do they keep stock?

Walter

-----Original Message-----
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Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:03 PM
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Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs


Walter, we waited a year and a half for Chin Cheng (or
what ever it is) to
produce their next run of tires. I was able to pick
one up on Ebay to
replace a flat spotted..brand new tire (thanks to the
guy I sold the
airplane too landing with his foot on the brake
pedal), to buy some time.
When we finally were able to get the tires I got a few
and have 6
tires/tubes here wrapped in plastic and stored away in
the dark, so if
anyone gets stuck and can't locate them locally I'll
bail you out by either
a replacement process or outright sale.

Howard's has about 230 hrs on floats, but not a lot of
pavement landings so
tires are like brand new as are his brake pads. The
bearings however see
lots of water (and not much rolling which is probably
harder on them than
your situation) and are holding up nicely going into
the 6th full season
since being replaced, after the first season, with the
additon of the full
wheel of grease "policy". The pivots , knuckles, shock
struts etc are all
holding up well with no extra slop detected yet.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: 1800 Amphibs

Just wondering how many hours I can expect out of my tires,
bearings, hydraulics and brakes. So far I have over 200 and
everything is still working fine. My treads are

getting a little

thinner, but the brakes still seem to be OK. I

grease the wheels

every time I return from the water, and the bearings

still seem

tight. The gear mechanism doesn't show any signs of

wear yet. I

might take my floats off next winter and take

everything apart

for inspection. But wondering if I should start

looking for some

spare parts, like tires, so I don't get stuck in the

summer. Any

thoughts?

Walter

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Hi, Bob. Yes, I still have fond memories from last summer where
you set a good example with us rookie ramblers, and carried
spares of everything with you. I need to start to doing some of
that, too, as my luck may run out one of these trips.

Speaking of rambling, I remember you taking a lot of pictures on
our trip. Can't remember though, if you were using a digital
camera. Wouldn't mind seeing some if you still have them.

Here's a site I use for posting pics that is good up to 100 megs,
no nuisance pop-ups, and you can store full high res pics without
killing the guys with dial up internet. They can be sorted and
displayed several different ways, and viewed as thumbnail, low
res or full high resolution. Here's a sample URL from my last
Wings Over Canada trip.
http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/picview.jsp?album=32800
Choose the "Descending" and "40 pics" options.

Good luck on your upcoming rambles. We are planning a couple out
west here this year too, as you know.

Which reminds me, too, it should be about time for Murray to make
a trek out here.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:23 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs



Hi Walter !

You've done well ! Especially if the wheel bearings
aren't grunching when taxiing !! ;-)

Personally, I never flew any distance without taking
along one of each size spare tire & tube - they can be hard
to get sometimes, in out-of-the-way places ... :-(

Probably time to order a spare set of main & nose
tires & tubes - you'll have them - just in case - and can
replace the old ones next winter, if not needed sooner.

At least one set of brake pads, and wheel bearings
might not be a bad idea, either. They don't deteriorate
if well stored, and you might avoid a long spell of missed
flying ! The bearings are pricey, and sometimes hard to
get - ask Wayne !! (He has the part numbers ...)

Hope you enjoy another summer of fun !! We're
looking forward to a good one - Rebel Ramble '04 goes
North To Moosonee, from July 17th to July 24th, then
down to Oshkosh ! :-) Can't wait to get the Rebel
back from the paint shop - you'll finally be able to
see her !

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.------------------------
At 06:52 PM 5/18/04 -0700, you wrote:

Just wondering how many hours I can expect out of my tires,
bearings, hydraulics and brakes. So far I have over 200 and
everything is still working fine. My treads are

getting a little

thinner, but the brakes still seem to be OK. I grease

the wheels

every time I return from the water, and the bearings

still seem

tight. The gear mechanism doesn't show any signs of

wear yet. I

might take my floats off next winter and take everything apart
for inspection. But wondering if I should start

looking for some

spare parts, like tires, so I don't get stuck in the

summer. Any

thoughts?

Walter



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[Walter Klatt]

Whoops, meant to say "Ascending" for the option.

Walter

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:46 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: 1800 Amphibs


Hi, Bob. Yes, I still have fond memories from last summer where
you set a good example with us rookie ramblers, and carried
spares of everything with you. I need to start to doing some of
that, too, as my luck may run out one of these trips.

Speaking of rambling, I remember you taking a lot of
pictures on
our trip. Can't remember though, if you were using a digital
camera. Wouldn't mind seeing some if you still have them.

Here's a site I use for posting pics that is good up
to 100 megs,
no nuisance pop-ups, and you can store full high res
pics without
killing the guys with dial up internet. They can be sorted and
displayed several different ways, and viewed as thumbnail, low
res or full high resolution. Here's a sample URL from my last
Wings Over Canada trip.
http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/picview.jsp?album=32800
Choose the "Descending" and "40 pics" options.

Good luck on your upcoming rambles. We are planning a
couple out
west here this year too, as you know.

Which reminds me, too, it should be about time for
Murray to make
a trek out here.

Walter

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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:23 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs



Hi Walter !

You've done well ! Especially if the wheel bearings
aren't grunching when taxiing !! ;-)

Personally, I never flew any distance without taking
along one of each size spare tire & tube - they can be hard
to get sometimes, in out-of-the-way places ... :-(

Probably time to order a spare set of main & nose
tires & tubes - you'll have them - just in case - and can
replace the old ones next winter, if not needed sooner.

At least one set of brake pads, and wheel bearings
might not be a bad idea, either. They don't deteriorate
if well stored, and you might avoid a long spell of missed
flying ! The bearings are pricey, and sometimes hard to
get - ask Wayne !! (He has the part numbers ...)

Hope you enjoy another summer of fun !! We're
looking forward to a good one - Rebel Ramble '04 goes
North To Moosonee, from July 17th to July 24th, then
down to Oshkosh ! :-) Can't wait to get the Rebel
back from the paint shop - you'll finally be able to
see her !

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.------------------------
At 06:52 PM 5/18/04 -0700, you wrote:

Just wondering how many hours I can expect out of my tires,
bearings, hydraulics and brakes. So far I have over 200 and
everything is still working fine. My treads are

getting a little

thinner, but the brakes still seem to be OK. I grease

the wheels

every time I return from the water, and the bearings

still seem

tight. The gear mechanism doesn't show any signs of

wear yet. I

might take my floats off next winter and take

everything apart

for inspection. But wondering if I should start

looking for some

spare parts, like tires, so I don't get stuck in the

summer. Any

thoughts?

Walter



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[Walter Klatt]

Dammm, I liked the price!

Walter

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:02 PM
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I'm sorry ... these are obviously the inner tubes!

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:59 PM
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Dear Walter,

I got a couple spares from C & L Tire and Wheel in

Spokane, WA

(509-534-0534) for $5.76 each. Their part number is Y0606.

Jeffrey Steenson
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Dear Walter,

I got a couple spares from C & L Tire and Wheel in Spokane, WA
(509-534-0534) for $5.76 each. Their part number is Y0606.

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I'm sorry ... these are obviously the inner tubes!

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Dear Walter,

I got a couple spares from C & L Tire and Wheel in Spokane, WA
(509-534-0534) for $5.76 each. Their part number is Y0606.

Jeffrey Steenson
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Walter, we waited a year and a half for Chin Cheng (or what ever it is) to
produce their next run of tires. I was able to pick one up on Ebay to
replace a flat spotted..brand new tire (thanks to the guy I sold the
airplane too landing with his foot on the brake pedal), to buy some time.
When we finally were able to get the tires I got a few and have 6
tires/tubes here wrapped in plastic and stored away in the dark, so if
anyone gets stuck and can't locate them locally I'll bail you out by either
a replacement process or outright sale.

Howard's has about 230 hrs on floats, but not a lot of pavement landings so
tires are like brand new as are his brake pads. The bearings however see
lots of water (and not much rolling which is probably harder on them than
your situation) and are holding up nicely going into the 6th full season
since being replaced, after the first season, with the additon of the full
wheel of grease "policy". The pivots , knuckles, shock struts etc are all
holding up well with no extra slop detected yet.

Wayne

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From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: 1800 Amphibs

Just wondering how many hours I can expect out of my tires,
bearings, hydraulics and brakes. So far I have over 200 and
everything is still working fine. My treads are getting a little
thinner, but the brakes still seem to be OK. I grease the wheels
every time I return from the water, and the bearings still seem
tight. The gear mechanism doesn't show any signs of wear yet. I
might take my floats off next winter and take everything apart
for inspection. But wondering if I should start looking for some
spare parts, like tires, so I don't get stuck in the summer. Any
thoughts?

Walter

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Hi Walter !

You've done well ! Especially if the wheel bearings
aren't grunching when taxiing !! ;-)

Personally, I never flew any distance without taking
along one of each size spare tire & tube - they can be hard
to get sometimes, in out-of-the-way places ... :-(

Probably time to order a spare set of main & nose
tires & tubes - you'll have them - just in case - and can
replace the old ones next winter, if not needed sooner.

At least one set of brake pads, and wheel bearings
might not be a bad idea, either. They don't deteriorate
if well stored, and you might avoid a long spell of missed
flying ! The bearings are pricey, and sometimes hard to
get - ask Wayne !! (He has the part numbers ...)

Hope you enjoy another summer of fun !! We're
looking forward to a good one - Rebel Ramble '04 goes
North To Moosonee, from July 17th to July 24th, then
down to Oshkosh ! :-) Can't wait to get the Rebel
back from the paint shop - you'll finally be able to
see her !

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.------------------------
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Just wondering how many hours I can expect out of my tires,
bearings, hydraulics and brakes. So far I have over 200 and
everything is still working fine. My treads are getting a little
thinner, but the brakes still seem to be OK. I grease the wheels
every time I return from the water, and the bearings still seem
tight. The gear mechanism doesn't show any signs of wear yet. I
might take my floats off next winter and take everything apart
for inspection. But wondering if I should start looking for some
spare parts, like tires, so I don't get stuck in the summer. Any
thoughts?

Walter



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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

MAM might have stock and they are just up the road from you!. Call over and
ask for Christine. They were around $32/tire before. I was just use to going
down to the local Goodyear dealer and they brought them in overnight so
didn't bother with MAM. Then the last time I needed them they were
unavailable and unknown when the next mfg run was going to be. After myself
and another local guy with 1800's on his Luscombme had waited on them for
over a year he went to a large Toronto dealer and we then waited 4 more
months for them to come in along with the dealers full marine container of
rubber from China/Tiawan or where ever. We bought enough to keep us in
spares for a little while!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: 1800 Amphibs

Thanks Wayne. I remember some talk on the list about these Chin
Chan tires, and I can go search the archives. Where did you get
them? Haven't asked MAM, but expect they must sell replacement
parts, and do they keep stock?

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:03 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs


Walter, we waited a year and a half for Chin Cheng (or
what ever it is) to
produce their next run of tires. I was able to pick
one up on Ebay to
replace a flat spotted..brand new tire (thanks to the
guy I sold the
airplane too landing with his foot on the brake
pedal), to buy some time.
When we finally were able to get the tires I got a few
and have 6
tires/tubes here wrapped in plastic and stored away in
the dark, so if
anyone gets stuck and can't locate them locally I'll
bail you out by either
a replacement process or outright sale.

Howard's has about 230 hrs on floats, but not a lot of
pavement landings so
tires are like brand new as are his brake pads. The
bearings however see
lots of water (and not much rolling which is probably
harder on them than
your situation) and are holding up nicely going into
the 6th full season
since being replaced, after the first season, with the
additon of the full
wheel of grease "policy". The pivots , knuckles, shock
struts etc are all
holding up well with no extra slop detected yet.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: 1800 Amphibs

Just wondering how many hours I can expect out of my tires,
bearings, hydraulics and brakes. So far I have over 200 and
everything is still working fine. My treads are

getting a little

thinner, but the brakes still seem to be OK. I

grease the wheels

every time I return from the water, and the bearings

still seem

tight. The gear mechanism doesn't show any signs of

wear yet. I

might take my floats off next winter and take

everything apart

for inspection. But wondering if I should start

looking for some

spare parts, like tires, so I don't get stuck in the

summer. Any

thoughts?

Walter

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Bob, First order of business was to remove and throw away those "grunchy"
bearings when I took ownership of FOKM!! (along with the cracked
sidewall tires)

Step two was to replace them with Chrome Plated variety and fill the entire
wheel with grease and the axle a grease journal and fitting. Hopefully they
will last like Howard's that is going in for it's 6th season on the grease
filled wheel can't intake water philosophy.

The brake pads are easy to obtain from any AMO's parts cupboard
Rapco/Cleveland 66-106's.

The bearings on the other hand can be like the tires. Depends on whether
Timken is making CP's or not making them. Got them overnight once and many
months later the next. Have a spare set of those tucked away as well for a
rainy day. Over $400/set of four bearings and cones.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <apat@istar.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: 1800 Amphibs

Hi Walter !

You've done well ! Especially if the wheel bearings
aren't grunching when taxiing !! ;-)

Personally, I never flew any distance without taking
along one of each size spare tire & tube - they can be hard
to get sometimes, in out-of-the-way places ... :-(

Probably time to order a spare set of main & nose
tires & tubes - you'll have them - just in case - and can
replace the old ones next winter, if not needed sooner.

At least one set of brake pads, and wheel bearings
might not be a bad idea, either. They don't deteriorate
if well stored, and you might avoid a long spell of missed
flying ! The bearings are pricey, and sometimes hard to
get - ask Wayne !! (He has the part numbers ...)

Hope you enjoy another summer of fun !! We're
looking forward to a good one - Rebel Ramble '04 goes
North To Moosonee, from July 17th to July 24th, then
down to Oshkosh ! :-) Can't wait to get the Rebel
back from the paint shop - you'll finally be able to
see her !

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.------------------------
At 06:52 PM 5/18/04 -0700, you wrote:

Just wondering how many hours I can expect out of my tires,
bearings, hydraulics and brakes. So far I have over 200 and
everything is still working fine. My treads are getting a little
thinner, but the brakes still seem to be OK. I grease the wheels
every time I return from the water, and the bearings still seem
tight. The gear mechanism doesn't show any signs of wear yet. I
might take my floats off next winter and take everything apart
for inspection. But wondering if I should start looking for some
spare parts, like tires, so I don't get stuck in the summer. Any
thoughts?

Walter

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[Legeorgen]

I live in Spokane, WA and I just went to the local tire store and ordered a
spare Chin Chan nose tire, main tire, both tubes and had them in 3 days.

Wayne, what is the "full wheel of grease policy"? I haven't done anything to
the wheel bearings grease wise since I started flying 40 hours so far. Should
I be greasing stuff?

Bruce



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