Elite cable routing

[Ralph Knight]

Bob,
Thanks for the pictures they sure steered me on to right track and enabled
me to make it work
Ralph 657E





-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Andrews
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Elite cable routing

Mike, Ralph,

Uploaded a few pics into "E-Rudder" showing where the boot is w/r to the
side skin. The inside view picture shows the cut-out notch w/r/t the boot
rivets. 612e flew for 40+ hrs and I've found nothing in the logs to
indicate there is any problems associated with the rudder or rudder cables.
Hope this helps.

Mike - think I blew a pic into section 101 by mistake ... sorry.

Cheers, Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:51 PM
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Subject: Re: Elite cable routing


Ralph,
How did you make out cutting the slot for the rudder cables with Jeffreys
advice? I'm getting ready to do the same and it looks like a crap shoot to
me. Also, to the other builders, where do I mount the rudder cable guides?
At the bulkheads? Just above the corner wraps?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E

I have come across two cable issues on my Elite; the first one involves
routing the elevator trim wiring cable from the elevator through the
stab.
My first try was to run it inside the rounded portion of the skin inside
of
a nylon tube and exit beside the center hinges and then just drop it into
the fuse. This didn't work well as the nylon tubing got all crushed with
the action of the hinges. My next thought is to drill and grommet a hole
out of the front of the enclosure for the servo and then cut an upright
slot
into the rounded leading edge and find an oblong grommet to protect the
cable and then drill a matching round hole with a grommet into the
trailing
edge of the stab (I am not wild about this idea because of cutting the
slot
into the rounded leading edge and what it may do to the air flow). I
have
really hit a road block on this one; maybe I am missing the obvious.

My second cable problem involves the exit point in the fuselage for the
rudder cables. Does anyone have measurements for the position and length
of
these openings or a good method for determining their locations? I am
afraid to start cutting this opening as I don't want to make it too long
or
have it in the wrong place and then have to do a patch job.

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks

Ralph Knight E657







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[Bob Andrews]

Ralph, you're most welcome ... glad to help out. If there are any other
pictures of 612e that you (or anyone else) want, please don't hesitate to
ask.

Cheers, Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Ralph Knight
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:29 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Elite cable routing


Bob,
Thanks for the pictures they sure steered me on to right track and enabled
me to make it work
Ralph 657E





-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Andrews
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:31 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Elite cable routing

Mike, Ralph,

Uploaded a few pics into "E-Rudder" showing where the boot is w/r to the
side skin. The inside view picture shows the cut-out notch w/r/t the boot
rivets. 612e flew for 40+ hrs and I've found nothing in the logs to
indicate there is any problems associated with the rudder or rudder cables.
Hope this helps.

Mike - think I blew a pic into section 101 by mistake ... sorry.

Cheers, Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:51 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite cable routing


Ralph,
How did you make out cutting the slot for the rudder cables with Jeffreys
advice? I'm getting ready to do the same and it looks like a crap shoot to
me. Also, to the other builders, where do I mount the rudder cable guides?
At the bulkheads? Just above the corner wraps?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E

I have come across two cable issues on my Elite; the first one involves
routing the elevator trim wiring cable from the elevator through the
stab.
My first try was to run it inside the rounded portion of the skin inside
of
a nylon tube and exit beside the center hinges and then just drop it into
the fuse. This didn't work well as the nylon tubing got all crushed with
the action of the hinges. My next thought is to drill and grommet a hole
out of the front of the enclosure for the servo and then cut an upright
slot
into the rounded leading edge and find an oblong grommet to protect the
cable and then drill a matching round hole with a grommet into the
trailing
edge of the stab (I am not wild about this idea because of cutting the
slot
into the rounded leading edge and what it may do to the air flow). I
have
really hit a road block on this one; maybe I am missing the obvious.

My second cable problem involves the exit point in the fuselage for the
rudder cables. Does anyone have measurements for the position and length
of
these openings or a good method for determining their locations? I am
afraid to start cutting this opening as I don't want to make it too long
or
have it in the wrong place and then have to do a patch job.

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks

Ralph Knight E657







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[Ken]

Yes, I just used a piece of polyethylene tubing throught the
fuselage skin for the cable to ride in. Then the exact position of the
hole is not critical and the hole can be kept small.
Ken

Ralph Knight wrote:

Mike,
I used Jeffrey's as a good starting point for cutting the slot. My first
attempt was on the right side and I started out with a number 30 hole at
Jeffrey's 8 1/4 inches and then used a small wire attached to the rudder
horn and started enlarging and elongating the hole into a slot that angled
downward towards the front. Using the actual aircraft cable through the
slot angled down to clear just below the forward stab mounting

bulkhead and

continuing down ward through the first bulkhead and the along the side to
just aft of the door opening.

I kept moving the rudder and then enlarged the slot to provide

clearance for

the cable. I found that being this close to the rudder control required a
longer slot than I had imagined (this was on Friday)

Sunday night I found Bob's new pictures and this project got a light bulb
moment. (Thanks for the Pictures Bob it sure helped) A fairlead through
the fuselage greatly reduces the length of the slot that is required. The
slot on the left side is now approximately half the length of the

right side

one (Still close to the 8 1/4" measurement). I purchased some delron type
material and fabricated 3 different fairleads: One to take the cable

out of

the slot in the fuselage, one to go through the bulkhead and one to attach
to the side of the first rib after that I will be able to run the MAM
supplied fairleads to the front. I also found a couple of pulleys from a
172 that I had scrapped so I'll make brackets for the pulleys and use them
to make the larger direction change. The cable makes a fairly

straight line

from back to front and I don't anticipate a lot of friction.

This was a very painful process with a lot of procrastination and a lot of
time spent but I think it will work fine and a couple of cable exit

fairings

will cover the one longer than required slot.
Regards
Ralph
657E

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[Dave Ricker]

You know as I was reading this I came to the conclusion a perfect way to figure
this out would be to make up a panel out of .032 lexan (to the shape of the real
skin & cleco it in place) and have at it. Once you got the thing cut out enough
to figure where to really cut you could make up a template and go at it for real
on the aluminum. Of course the template could be scanned & put in the archive
for posterity.......

Dave
www.elite583.cjb.net (not anywhere close to doing the cable but....)

Ralph Knight wrote:

Mike,
I used Jeffrey's as a good starting point for cutting the slot. My first
attempt was on the right side and I started out with a number 30 hole at
Jeffrey's 8 1/4 inches and then used a small wire attached to the rudder
horn and started enlarging and elongating the hole into a slot that angled
downward towards the front. Using the actual aircraft cable through the
slot angled down to clear just below the forward stab mounting bulkhead and
continuing down ward through the first bulkhead and the along the side to
just aft of the door opening.
SNIP!

Regards
Ralph
657E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Betti
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:51 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite cable routing

Ralph,
How did you make out cutting the slot for the rudder cables with Jeffreys
advice? I'm getting ready to do the same and it looks like a crap shoot to
me. Also, to the other builders, where do I mount the rudder cable guides?
At the bulkheads? Just above the corner wraps?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E

I have come across two cable issues on my Elite; the first one involves
routing the elevator trim wiring cable from the elevator through the
stab.
My first try was to run it inside the rounded portion of the skin inside
of
a nylon tube and exit beside the center hinges and then just drop it into
the fuse. This didn't work well as the nylon tubing got all crushed with
the action of the hinges. My next thought is to drill and grommet a hole
out of the front of the enclosure for the servo and then cut an upright
slot
into the rounded leading edge and find an oblong grommet to protect the
cable and then drill a matching round hole with a grommet into the
trailing
edge of the stab (I am not wild about this idea because of cutting the
slot
into the rounded leading edge and what it may do to the air flow). I
have
really hit a road block on this one; maybe I am missing the obvious.

My second cable problem involves the exit point in the fuselage for the
rudder cables. Does anyone have measurements for the position and length
of
these openings or a good method for determining their locations? I am
afraid to start cutting this opening as I don't want to make it too long
or
have it in the wrong place and then have to do a patch job.

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks

Ralph Knight E657







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[NormIsler]

I realize this thread is pretty well exhausted, but a thought came to
mind after reading the lexan template idea. Once a clear template is in place,
why not use a small, hand held laser pointer. Hold it against the rudder horn
(start point of the cable route) and aim at the point inside the fuse where you
plan to place the first pulley or fairlead. The point where the laser
illuminates the template is where you make the hole. You could sight in reverse from
inside the fuse to verify the location.

Am I missing something, or is this just too simple?

Norm




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