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Wayne G. O'Shea

Elite inspection

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm

Sounds great Al and enjoy this stretch of weather while you can. Lakes are
still warm enough for swimming in most parts so keep doing the splashing
around.

Myself and the owner got a full day in today. Went over the engine/prop
installation, sealed the firewall properly, removed all the fairings/covers,
remounted about 6 rudder cable guides to clean up the cables path, pulley'd
the upper elevator cable, fire extinguisher installation, placards
installed, N #'s removed and new Cdn registration marks installed. Tomorrow
we'll clean up the rudder return springs, properly safety wire all the TB's
and a few other minor things and it will be ready for TC for inspection.
After that is done...then we have a tad longer list of Mods to do before
float installation in the spring. Firewall plates (firewall is already
"joggled" at left upper mount from engine "slap"), door posts, Elevator horn
SB, tailspring stinger work while the Stab/Elevator are off (although he
probably won't come off amphibs for a few years), and a few other minor
things.

Pay attention to the manual guys. This is about the 10th aircraft that I
have found that the reinforcing angles where not put across the cut outs in
the square bulkheads, on the rear wing attach bulkheads in the cabin.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

Wayne:

My "down" elevator cable passes under the control culumn and makes a 180
round a 3" pulley muonted on the firewall, then back to the lower control
column horn. Works slick, and no upper cable to get caught on anything.

BTW, test flying is at 16.5 hrs and counting.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

No I mean rudder cables. Where the transition from the square cabin to
the
tailcone it's about 12 degrees change. I put pulleys on every Rebel in
this
location. I know the elevator cables have a different routing to the
elevator...haven't even pulled the cone plug yet for any surprises
there.
The other spot is the top elevator cable being brought down to the floor
with a guide before the seats. About 15 to 20 degree change and causes
the
turnbuckle to hit the column tube when you go stick forward. Pulley
needs
to
go a bit further back to alleviate the fowling on the column or the
other
option is a cable in the air thru the baggage area to cut the angle
change...but that's not really a sensible option.

Bob is correct on the flexing of horns..because what happens is the
torque
tube comes thru the wing and if you continued at 2 degrees you'd need
the
hanger to be ~ twice as low as standard...and it's not..so without
pulling
the fairings I can tell you we'll find a whole lot of flexing going on
where
the horns bolt together between wing and fuselage. We've both seen this
before on an airplane that was originally built in BC & recently sold
out
of
the Napanee area and is now residing at Air Muskoka.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

Hi Wayne !

Suspect you meant 'elevator' cables - I think the angle is not
as large on the Elite, because of the different elevator setup ...
but some Rebels have passed without pulleys, too ... ;-)

The dihedral itself might not be enough to fail, Al, but it
introduces other problems - like flexing the aileron horns with
every movement !! Might trigger some concern for an inspector ...
not exactly 'best practice' ! ;-)

.......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 10:58 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
kinda
on
a
around
the
that
my
inspector.
work,
requirement
the
gross
saying
things.
either)..so
a
huge,
seats
(not
rudder
least
the
in
minute
has
things
of
2200
get
thru
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Alan Hepburn

Elite inspection

Post by Alan Hepburn » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm

I'll take some pics at the weekend and post them..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gustafson" <gargus@adelphia.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: Elite inspection

Could you post a picture of your solution on Mike's web site?
It would be helpful. Thanks
Gary


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:26 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

Wayne:

My "down" elevator cable passes under the control culumn and makes a 180
round a 3" pulley muonted on the firewall, then back to the lower control
column horn. Works slick, and no upper cable to get caught on anything.

BTW, test flying is at 16.5 hrs and counting.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

No I mean rudder cables. Where the transition from the square cabin to
the
tailcone it's about 12 degrees change. I put pulleys on every Rebel in
this
location. I know the elevator cables have a different routing to the
elevator...haven't even pulled the cone plug yet for any surprises
there.
The other spot is the top elevator cable being brought down to the floor
with a guide before the seats. About 15 to 20 degree change and causes
the
turnbuckle to hit the column tube when you go stick forward. Pulley
needs
to
go a bit further back to alleviate the fowling on the column or the
other
option is a cable in the air thru the baggage area to cut the angle
change...but that's not really a sensible option.

Bob is correct on the flexing of horns..because what happens is the
torque
tube comes thru the wing and if you continued at 2 degrees you'd need
the
hanger to be ~ twice as low as standard...and it's not..so without
pulling
the fairings I can tell you we'll find a whole lot of flexing going on
where
the horns bolt together between wing and fuselage. We've both seen this
before on an airplane that was originally built in BC & recently sold
out
of
the Napanee area and is now residing at Air Muskoka.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

Hi Wayne !

Suspect you meant 'elevator' cables - I think the angle is not
as large on the Elite, because of the different elevator setup ...
but some Rebels have passed without pulleys, too ... ;-)

The dihedral itself might not be enough to fail, Al, but it
introduces other problems - like flexing the aileron horns with
every movement !! Might trigger some concern for an inspector ...
not exactly 'best practice' ! ;-)

.......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 10:58 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
kinda
on
a
around
the
that
my
inspector.
work,
requirement
the
gross
saying
things.
either)..so
a
huge,
seats
(not
rudder
least
the
in
minute
has
things
of
2200
get
thru
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Alan Hepburn

Elite inspection

Post by Alan Hepburn » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm

Gary:

Pictures posted under "Elite Control Systems".

Also, a new one under "Elite Completed Aircraft" that looks kind of neat.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gustafson" <gargus@adelphia.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: Elite inspection

Could you post a picture of your solution on Mike's web site?
It would be helpful. Thanks
Gary


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:26 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

Wayne:

My "down" elevator cable passes under the control culumn and makes a 180
round a 3" pulley muonted on the firewall, then back to the lower control
column horn. Works slick, and no upper cable to get caught on anything.

BTW, test flying is at 16.5 hrs and counting.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

No I mean rudder cables. Where the transition from the square cabin to
the
tailcone it's about 12 degrees change. I put pulleys on every Rebel in
this
location. I know the elevator cables have a different routing to the
elevator...haven't even pulled the cone plug yet for any surprises
there.
The other spot is the top elevator cable being brought down to the floor
with a guide before the seats. About 15 to 20 degree change and causes
the
turnbuckle to hit the column tube when you go stick forward. Pulley
needs
to
go a bit further back to alleviate the fowling on the column or the
other
option is a cable in the air thru the baggage area to cut the angle
change...but that's not really a sensible option.

Bob is correct on the flexing of horns..because what happens is the
torque
tube comes thru the wing and if you continued at 2 degrees you'd need
the
hanger to be ~ twice as low as standard...and it's not..so without
pulling
the fairings I can tell you we'll find a whole lot of flexing going on
where
the horns bolt together between wing and fuselage. We've both seen this
before on an airplane that was originally built in BC & recently sold
out
of
the Napanee area and is now residing at Air Muskoka.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

Hi Wayne !

Suspect you meant 'elevator' cables - I think the angle is not
as large on the Elite, because of the different elevator setup ...
but some Rebels have passed without pulleys, too ... ;-)

The dihedral itself might not be enough to fail, Al, but it
introduces other problems - like flexing the aileron horns with
every movement !! Might trigger some concern for an inspector ...
not exactly 'best practice' ! ;-)

.......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 10:58 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
kinda
on
a
around
the
that
my
inspector.
work,
requirement
the
gross
saying
things.
either)..so
a
huge,
seats
(not
rudder
least
the
in
minute
has
things
of
2200
get
thru
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Bob Andrews

Elite inspection

Post by Bob Andrews » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm

Great Pics Al !! ... got a Christmas Card quality picture there ... thanks.

Noticed you plumbed your aircraft hydraulics with hard lines vs. braided
flex lines ... have you had any problems with leaks?

Referencing the "Shortened Control Column" picture, looks like the hard
lines from the electric pump run forward under the cover/channel along the
center line and then go up at the center consol to the hand pump, and then
from the hand pump continue up the center consol to the bottom of the
instrument panel, and then split left and right along the bottom (and
behind) the instrument panel, and then down the sides to the floor to the
respective left and right outside fittings. Having that center counsel made
for a nice path for those lines - keeping them off the floor in front of the
seats. Also looks like that center consol is vertical enough so as not to
cause too much interference when the pilot wants to egress out the passenger
door ... true?. By the way, are you putting a walk wire on the nose of your
floats?

Thanks for posting,

Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Alan Hepburn
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 5:35 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite inspection


Gary:

Pictures posted under "Elite Control Systems".

Also, a new one under "Elite Completed Aircraft" that looks kind of neat.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gustafson" <gargus@adelphia.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: Elite inspection

Could you post a picture of your solution on Mike's web site?
It would be helpful. Thanks
Gary


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:26 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

Wayne:

My "down" elevator cable passes under the control culumn and makes a 180
round a 3" pulley muonted on the firewall, then back to the lower control
column horn. Works slick, and no upper cable to get caught on anything.

BTW, test flying is at 16.5 hrs and counting.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

No I mean rudder cables. Where the transition from the square cabin to
the
tailcone it's about 12 degrees change. I put pulleys on every Rebel in
this
location. I know the elevator cables have a different routing to the
elevator...haven't even pulled the cone plug yet for any surprises
there.
The other spot is the top elevator cable being brought down to the floor
with a guide before the seats. About 15 to 20 degree change and causes
the
turnbuckle to hit the column tube when you go stick forward. Pulley
needs
to
go a bit further back to alleviate the fowling on the column or the
other
option is a cable in the air thru the baggage area to cut the angle
change...but that's not really a sensible option.

Bob is correct on the flexing of horns..because what happens is the
torque
tube comes thru the wing and if you continued at 2 degrees you'd need
the
hanger to be ~ twice as low as standard...and it's not..so without
pulling
the fairings I can tell you we'll find a whole lot of flexing going on
where
the horns bolt together between wing and fuselage. We've both seen this
before on an airplane that was originally built in BC & recently sold
out
of
the Napanee area and is now residing at Air Muskoka.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

Hi Wayne !

Suspect you meant 'elevator' cables - I think the angle is not
as large on the Elite, because of the different elevator setup ...
but some Rebels have passed without pulleys, too ... ;-)

The dihedral itself might not be enough to fail, Al, but it
introduces other problems - like flexing the aileron horns with
every movement !! Might trigger some concern for an inspector ...
not exactly 'best practice' ! ;-)

.......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 10:58 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
kinda
on
a
around
the
that
my
inspector.
work,
requirement
the
gross
saying
things.
either)..so
a
huge,
seats
(not
rudder
least
the
in
minute
has
things
of
2200
get
thru
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Alan Hepburn

Elite inspection

Post by Alan Hepburn » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:43 pm

Bob:

The console has AN fittings facing aft to accept the 3 lines coming from the
pump. The "Up" and "Down" lines go into T fittings, with the bar of the T
pointing up. These go to the backup hand pump. The forward facing ports go
via flex lines routed along the front of the foward 2 x 2 to the carry
through fittings in front of the door pillars, and thence via more flex
lines to the floats. The side flages of the console each carry a 90 degree
elbow for the second flex line on each side. Behind the console is a
"plumbers delight", all made from 1/4" solid line. Guess I better post a
pic of this.

I found making the lines a breeze. Didn't have a single leak in the lot. I
used an $8 Chinese tube bender, and one of these falring tools where you
dial various sizes. Jesy don't forget to put the nuts and ferrules on
before you make the flare!

As you know, the Montana floats use 100% solid lines internally for brakes
and gear. That was one of the things that sold me on them. The only part
of mine that's plastic is the supply side of the brake system from the
master cylinders up.

BTW, somebody asked some time ago what the Montana 2200s weigh in at. The
answer is 390 lbs for floats, rigging, plumbing, hydraulic pump, backup hand
pump and control unit. They displace 2,200 lbs each, and are also designed
and drop tested to take 2,200 lbs gross, so that's the number I am going for
when I apply for a weight increase. With these floats, a weight increase is
a virtual necessity. I'd only have 25 lbs left to paint the aircraft and
stay legal if I didn't get it, but as far as I can see, Transport are not
going to give me a problem. I may need to repeat the climb test at the
higher gross, which will require a waiver. We'll see later this week, as
flight test is at 21.9 hours as of today.

Regards, Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Andrews" <robert@montanasky.us>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Elite inspection

Great Pics Al !! ... got a Christmas Card quality picture there ...
thanks.
Noticed you plumbed your aircraft hydraulics with hard lines vs. braided
flex lines ... have you had any problems with leaks?

Referencing the "Shortened Control Column" picture, looks like the hard
lines from the electric pump run forward under the cover/channel along the
center line and then go up at the center consol to the hand pump, and then
from the hand pump continue up the center consol to the bottom of the
instrument panel, and then split left and right along the bottom (and
behind) the instrument panel, and then down the sides to the floor to the
respective left and right outside fittings. Having that center counsel
made
for a nice path for those lines - keeping them off the floor in front of
the
seats. Also looks like that center consol is vertical enough so as not to
cause too much interference when the pilot wants to egress out the
passenger
door ... true?. By the way, are you putting a walk wire on the nose of
your
floats?

Thanks for posting,

Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Alan Hepburn
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 5:35 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite inspection


Gary:

Pictures posted under "Elite Control Systems".

Also, a new one under "Elite Completed Aircraft" that looks kind of neat.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gustafson" <gargus@adelphia.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: Elite inspection

Could you post a picture of your solution on Mike's web site?
It would be helpful. Thanks
Gary


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Alan
Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:26 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

Wayne:

My "down" elevator cable passes under the control culumn and makes a 180
round a 3" pulley muonted on the firewall, then back to the lower
control
column horn. Works slick, and no upper cable to get caught on anything.

BTW, test flying is at 16.5 hrs and counting.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

No I mean rudder cables. Where the transition from the square cabin to
the
tailcone it's about 12 degrees change. I put pulleys on every Rebel in
this
location. I know the elevator cables have a different routing to the
elevator...haven't even pulled the cone plug yet for any surprises
there.
The other spot is the top elevator cable being brought down to the
floor
with a guide before the seats. About 15 to 20 degree change and causes
the
turnbuckle to hit the column tube when you go stick forward. Pulley
needs
to
go a bit further back to alleviate the fowling on the column or the
other
option is a cable in the air thru the baggage area to cut the angle
change...but that's not really a sensible option.

Bob is correct on the flexing of horns..because what happens is the
torque
tube comes thru the wing and if you continued at 2 degrees you'd need
the
hanger to be ~ twice as low as standard...and it's not..so without
pulling
the fairings I can tell you we'll find a whole lot of flexing going on
where
the horns bolt together between wing and fuselage. We've both seen
this
before on an airplane that was originally built in BC & recently sold
out
of
the Napanee area and is now residing at Air Muskoka.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Elite inspection

looks
kinda
that
on
a
inspectors
degree
that
the
loop
that
but
my
the
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