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N.Smith

Window placement

Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:06 pm

Hi Mike

To stop the window sliding about in the frame during dry fit I started on a
clean bench with the doubler and the window with the covering removed from
both sides.

Place the window central in the frame and do the masking tape on the window
top surface all round the inside edge of the doubler visible beneath.

Then remove the doubler, turn the window upside down and do the tape in the
same place on the other side. You should now be left with a clear border
around the taped bit that will sit within the doubler.

I then applied a coat of Mastinox (proseal type stuff) to the area of the
doubler that will make contact with the roof - NOT CONTACT WITH THE WINDOW

Then squeeze a line of bostik around the doubler where the window will sit
and place the window into the doubler, then squeeze another line of bostik
onto the unmasked window border and install into the roof.

I pulled the rivets (RV1410 also dipped in mastinox) fairly quickly, so as
to seat the window before the bostik cured.

Then - again before it cured - very carefully peeled away the tape FROM THE
INNER SIDE OUTWARDS so as to carry the gunge outwards away from the window.

1st window has worked a treat - then I ran out of time !!!!

Probably won't get a chance to to do any more for a few days.

Enjoy..

Nigel
745E



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 28 October 2005 01:47
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Thanks for your help. How did you make out with the masking tape trick for
installing the skylights?
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 3:10 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use
something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't
stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for
the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior
to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used
for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel
with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

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Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements
to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said: ones,
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mbetti

Window placement

Post by mbetti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:06 pm

Thanks,
I'll try the same. I don't get the need for proseal though. You are putting the doublers on the inside of fuselage?
Mike Betti

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:59:58 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Hi Mike

To stop the window sliding about in the frame during dry fit I started on a
clean bench with the doubler and the window with the covering removed from
both sides.

Place the window central in the frame and do the masking tape on the window
top surface all round the inside edge of the doubler visible beneath.

Then remove the doubler, turn the window upside down and do the tape in the
same place on the other side. You should now be left with a clear border
around the taped bit that will sit within the doubler.

I then applied a coat of Mastinox (proseal type stuff) to the area of the
doubler that will make contact with the roof - NOT CONTACT WITH THE WINDOW

Then squeeze a line of bostik around the doubler where the window will sit
and place the window into the doubler, then squeeze another line of bostik
onto the unmasked window border and install into the roof.

I pulled the rivets (RV1410 also dipped in mastinox) fairly quickly, so as
to seat the window before the bostik cured.

Then - again before it cured - very carefully peeled away the tape FROM THE
INNER SIDE OUTWARDS so as to carry the gunge outwards away from the window.

1st window has worked a treat - then I ran out of time !!!!

Probably won't get a chance to to do any more for a few days.

Enjoy..

Nigel
745E



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 28 October 2005 01:47
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Thanks for your help. How did you make out with the masking tape trick for
installing the skylights?
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 3:10 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use
something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't
stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for
the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior
to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used
for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement



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N.Smith

Window placement

Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:06 pm

Hi Mike
Yes..just to seal the rivets and doubler from rain ingress

Nig

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mbetti@up.net
Sent: 28 October 2005 12:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Thanks,
I'll try the same. I don't get the need for proseal though. You are putting
the doublers on the inside of fuselage?
Mike Betti

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:59:58 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Hi Mike

To stop the window sliding about in the frame during dry fit I started on a
clean bench with the doubler and the window with the covering removed from
both sides.

Place the window central in the frame and do the masking tape on the window
top surface all round the inside edge of the doubler visible beneath.

Then remove the doubler, turn the window upside down and do the tape in the
same place on the other side. You should now be left with a clear border
around the taped bit that will sit within the doubler.

I then applied a coat of Mastinox (proseal type stuff) to the area of the
doubler that will make contact with the roof - NOT CONTACT WITH THE WINDOW

Then squeeze a line of bostik around the doubler where the window will sit
and place the window into the doubler, then squeeze another line of bostik
onto the unmasked window border and install into the roof.

I pulled the rivets (RV1410 also dipped in mastinox) fairly quickly, so as
to seat the window before the bostik cured.

Then - again before it cured - very carefully peeled away the tape FROM THE
INNER SIDE OUTWARDS so as to carry the gunge outwards away from the window.

1st window has worked a treat - then I ran out of time !!!!

Probably won't get a chance to to do any more for a few days.

Enjoy..

Nigel
745E



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 28 October 2005 01:47
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Thanks for your help. How did you make out with the masking tape trick for
installing the skylights?
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 3:10 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use
something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't
stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for
the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior
to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has
cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used
for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of
sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or
side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

window
I
window
door


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