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strengthening for O320 and spring gear; float reinforcement?

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Mike Davis

strengthening for O320 and spring gear; float reinforcement?

Post by Mike Davis » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:51 pm

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Dave,


Thanks for the feed back, just one question, do you still only have one
line of rivets up the door post? What I mean by that is, have you fitted a
right angle bracket from the front of the door post on to the FUS 11 etc.?
this can help a lot to increase the shear loads in this area.

Alister

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To: (Murphy Rebel) <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: strengthening for O320 and spring gear; floatreinforcement?
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 1:41 AM


What area's in the nose area do you consider need more strenght?

Cheers

Alister
Back again on this subject.

While the strength of the nose has never been a question as far as I
know, I
would like you to consider this.

The structure of the nose is cause for concern due to the now requested
strengthening of the attach points of it to the door frame and up by the
front
wing attach points. I experienced total failure of these points in my
ground
loop. All rivets on the right door post sheared yet the parts themself
were
not even bent. The holes weren't even ovaled. Just cut off rivets. I
have
(long before the AD) replaced the rivets with everyother one being
stainless
steel. Much harder to shear. The nose itself came into question as the
side
force of the loop almost wrenched the engine off the airplane. In
comparing
the structure to Cessna, there is no comparison. Side forces will be
induced
from time to time in the normal life of the airframe so I chose to
reinforce.
Maybe I overkilled the reinforcement, but here is what I did on the nose.
I
increased the overlap of the side panels and the corner wraps to a full 2
inches and ran 2 rows of rivets. What a difference that made. But then
I
backed each seam up with a piece of ST-31 that I made out of .032
material.
These run all the way back to the door post and rivet with the 3\16"
rivets.
The motor mounts I backed up not only with the backing plate called for
but
they also sit in a piece of this ST31 material. They also go back to
substantial material for termination with large rivets. The floor I
created a
triangle structure of the ST31. The brake mounts are backed up, the
peddle
structure is backed up and all is carried back to the cage and riveted.
The
top of the dash is the same, triangulate and tie to solid structure.
Probably
added 3 lbs in weight but the piece of mind load has been considerably
reduced.
Dave Bangle

Mike Davis

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Yes only 1 line. All large rivets but only 1 line. Am considering a v
brace
to the firewall when I go on floats. According to Tom Hamilton of Aerocet
there are no quality aircraft on the market that don't use a v brace when on
floats. Saves firewalls and windshields.

Dave Bangle

Alister Yeoman wrote:
Dave,

Thanks for the feed back, just one question, do you still only have one
line of rivets up the door post? What I mean by that is, have you fitted a
right angle bracket from the front of the door post on to the FUS 11 etc.?
this can help a lot to increase the shear loads in this area.

Alister

----------
From: subersys <subersys@nidlink.com>
To: (Murphy Rebel) <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: strengthening for O320 and spring gear; floatreinforcement?
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 1:41 AM


What area's in the nose area do you consider need more strenght?

Cheers

Alister
Back again on this subject.

While the strength of the nose has never been a question as far as I
know, I
would like you to consider this.

The structure of the nose is cause for concern due to the now requested
strengthening of the attach points of it to the door frame and up by the
front
wing attach points. I experienced total failure of these points in my
ground
loop. All rivets on the right door post sheared yet the parts themself
were
not even bent. The holes weren't even ovaled. Just cut off rivets. I
have
(long before the AD) replaced the rivets with everyother one being
stainless
steel. Much harder to shear. The nose itself came into question as the
side
force of the loop almost wrenched the engine off the airplane. In
comparing
the structure to Cessna, there is no comparison. Side forces will be
induced
from time to time in the normal life of the airframe so I chose to
reinforce.
Maybe I overkilled the reinforcement, but here is what I did on the
nose.
I
increased the overlap of the side panels and the corner wraps to a full
2
inches and ran 2 rows of rivets. What a difference that made. But then
I
backed each seam up with a piece of ST-31 that I made out of .032
material.
These run all the way back to the door post and rivet with the 3\16"
rivets.
The motor mounts I backed up not only with the backing plate called for
but
they also sit in a piece of this ST31 material. They also go back to
substantial material for termination with large rivets. The floor I
created a
triangle structure of the ST31. The brake mounts are backed up, the
peddle
structure is backed up and all is carried back to the cage and riveted.
The
top of the dash is the same, triangulate and tie to solid structure.
Probably
added 3 lbs in weight but the piece of mind load has been considerably
reduced.
Dave Bangle

Mike Davis

strengthening for O320 and spring gear; float reinforcement?

Post by Mike Davis » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:51 pm

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Dave,

Please describe the "V" brace.

Dave Klimas
Rebel #472
Ramona, CA
Yes only 1 line. All large rivets but only 1 line. Am considering a v
brace
to the firewall when I go on floats. According to Tom Hamilton of Aerocet
there are no quality aircraft on the market that don't use a v brace when
on
floats. Saves firewalls and windshields.

Dave Bangle



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Mike Davis

strengthening for O320 and spring gear; float reinforcement?

Post by Mike Davis » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:52 pm

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take a trip to the boeing salvage yard (located on 84th ave south in
renton).
Open tues thru sat. I think they oly take cash or checks.


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