More questions..........
I mounted my seats as far outboard as possible. I seen one Elite with the outboard rail just touching where the corner wrap starts, so that's what I went by. I thought this would work out since the sticks came out dead center with the seats. The problem I'm seeing now is the big 1" pushrod is just about touching the seat and it isn't even upholstered yet.
As I investigate I am also wondering about the pivot on the mixer arm, it has 4 washers spacing it out per manual but there still is interference with the 1" push rod to the brackets the mixer slides in. It looks like I may need to space it out further? I would like to sort this out first so I can work on my seat requirements after.
Any input on this subject, maybe experience as such?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
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That is exactly why the manual shows the left seat 1" further inboard than
the right seat Mike....to clear the push pull tube. Sorry you're finding
this out now.
Wayne
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went by. I thought this would work out since the sticks came out dead center
with the seats. The problem I'm seeing now is the big 1" pushrod is just
about touching the seat and it isn't even upholstered yet.
the 1" push rod to the brackets the mixer slides in. It looks like I may
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the right seat Mike....to clear the push pull tube. Sorry you're finding
this out now.
Wayne
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outboard rail just touching where the corner wrap starts, so that's what IMore questions..........
I mounted my seats as far outboard as possible. I seen one Elite with the
went by. I thought this would work out since the sticks came out dead center
with the seats. The problem I'm seeing now is the big 1" pushrod is just
about touching the seat and it isn't even upholstered yet.
has 4 washers spacing it out per manual but there still is interference withAs I investigate I am also wondering about the pivot on the mixer arm, it
the 1" push rod to the brackets the mixer slides in. It looks like I may
need to space it out further? I would like to sort this out first so I can
work on my seat requirements after.
Any input on this subject, maybe experience as such?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
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Mike:
I found the instructions confusing on this issue, but I did see the
interference issue coming. My seats are symmetrical, but as I recollect the
edge of the outboard rails doesn't quite touch the corner wrap skin. No
interference, even with upholstery.
BTW, when you get to mounting the lower outboard seatbelt attach points,
mount them lower down than instructed. As advertised, they catch you in the
ass when you slide into the cabin over the door sill. I did not do this,
but Jack Wiebe did, and it's a significant improvement.
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I found the instructions confusing on this issue, but I did see the
interference issue coming. My seats are symmetrical, but as I recollect the
edge of the outboard rails doesn't quite touch the corner wrap skin. No
interference, even with upholstery.
BTW, when you get to mounting the lower outboard seatbelt attach points,
mount them lower down than instructed. As advertised, they catch you in the
ass when you slide into the cabin over the door sill. I did not do this,
but Jack Wiebe did, and it's a significant improvement.
Al
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I don't think thats too clear in this manual on the first airplane a person builds until you start fitting controls.
Mike
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That is exactly why the manual shows the left seat 1" further inboard than
the right seat Mike....to clear the push pull tube. Sorry you're finding
this out now.
Wayne
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outboard rail just touching where the corner wrap starts, so that's what IMore questions..........
I mounted my seats as far outboard as possible. I seen one Elite with the
went by. I thought this would work out since the sticks came out dead center
with the seats. The problem I'm seeing now is the big 1" pushrod is just
about touching the seat and it isn't even upholstered yet.has 4 washers spacing it out per manual but there still is interference withAs I investigate I am also wondering about the pivot on the mixer arm, it
the 1" push rod to the brackets the mixer slides in. It looks like I may
need to space it out further? I would like to sort this out first so I can
work on my seat requirements after.Any input on this subject, maybe experience as such?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
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Fig 12.15.1 (and the note under it) in the electronic manual and I seem
to recall the same in the old manual.
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to recall the same in the old manual.
Ken
mbetti@up.net wrote:
I don't think thats too clear in this manual on the first airplane a person builds until you start fitting controls.
Mike
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That is exactly why the manual shows the left seat 1" further inboard than
the right seat Mike....to clear the push pull tube. Sorry you're finding
this out now.
Wayne
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Wayne G. O'Shea
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Guess we've (You've) discoverd late that there's another spot in the Elite
assembly manual that is VERY lacking Mike!
Anyone keeping track?....... making a (manual discrepancy) list and checking
it twice.....gonna send MAM an email that's not nice.......
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assembly manual that is VERY lacking Mike!
Anyone keeping track?....... making a (manual discrepancy) list and checking
it twice.....gonna send MAM an email that's not nice.......
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measurements there. Groupl 12 is the stab.Not in my electronic manual, seat rail installation is in group 16. and no
andMike
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findingthe note under it.
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person builds until you start fitting controls.Fig 12.15.1 (and the note under it) in the electronic manual and I seem
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Ken
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It's one thing I have to move the rails and make more holes, but now I have to repaint the floor and the paint is a speckle color that has to be done with a paint pot.
Mike
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Guess we've (You've) discoverd late that there's another spot in the Elite
assembly manual that is VERY lacking Mike!
Anyone keeping track?....... making a (manual discrepancy) list and checking
it twice.....gonna send MAM an email that's not nice.......
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measurements there. Groupl 12 is the stab.Not in my electronic manual, seat rail installation is in group 16. and noandMike
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Not fun Mike....but if you can't laugh you'll go nuts!! Remember that....
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have to repaint the floor and the paint is a speckle color that has to beIt's one thing I have to move the rails and make more holes, but now I
done with a paint pot.
EliteMike
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checkingassembly manual that is VERY lacking Mike!
Anyone keeping track?....... making a (manual discrepancy) list and
noit twice.....gonna send MAM an email that's not nice.......
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Not in my electronic manual, seat rail installation is in group 16. and
measurementsmeasurements there. Groupl 12 is the stab.
seemand
a
inboard
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Converted file to PDF for our non-M$ users.If it helps at all I just uploaded the diagram seatrails.doc in the
rebel fuselage folder
Ken
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Wayne G. O'Shea
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Yep...always been there as Ken has pointed out. Look at the measurements and
the note under it.
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the note under it.
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person builds until you start fitting controls.Fig 12.15.1 (and the note under it) in the electronic manual and I seem
to recall the same in the old manual.
Ken
mbetti@up.net wrote:
I don't think thats too clear in this manual on the first airplane a
thanMike
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Not in my electronic manual, seat rail installation is in group 16. and no measurements there. Groupl 12 is the stab.
Mike
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Yep...always been there as Ken has pointed out. Look at the measurements and
the note under it.
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person builds until you start fitting controls.Fig 12.15.1 (and the note under it) in the electronic manual and I seem
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Gee that was one thing the old 1992 and the 1998 CD for the Rebel was
clear on. Hard to believe the manual actually got worse instead of
better unless this is peculiar to the Elite manual. I have not seen an
Elite manual.
If it helps at all I just uploaded the diagram seatrails.doc in the
rebel fuselage folder
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clear on. Hard to believe the manual actually got worse instead of
better unless this is peculiar to the Elite manual. I have not seen an
Elite manual.
If it helps at all I just uploaded the diagram seatrails.doc in the
rebel fuselage folder
Ken
mbetti@up.net wrote:
Not in my electronic manual, seat rail installation is in group 16. and no measurements there. Groupl 12 is the stab.
Mike
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Ken,
I looked at your upload and those instruction would have been great. What I have is nothing clearing than mud!
Mike
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I looked at your upload and those instruction would have been great. What I have is nothing clearing than mud!
Mike
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Gee that was one thing the old 1992 and the 1998 CD for the Rebel was
clear on. Hard to believe the manual actually got worse instead of
better unless this is peculiar to the Elite manual. I have not seen an
Elite manual.
If it helps at all I just uploaded the diagram seatrails.doc in the
rebel fuselage folder
Ken
mbetti@up.net wrote:
Not in my electronic manual, seat rail installation is in group 16. and no measurements there. Groupl 12 is the stab.
Mike
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It wouldn't be the first time.....& we're not that far yet.
Dave
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Anyone keeping track?....... making a (manual discrepancy) list and checking
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