In a message dated 6/21/2004 7:13:34 PM Central Standard Time, mfc@libby.org
writes:
using gas struts to hold them open you don't have to have a hold up catch,
and if you set them up right they will over center on closing and help with
latching, don't use that for your only latch.install a latch on the bottom
of the door.
KIETH
I've got clearance on the wing tank drains. Didn't use gas struts to save
weight and KISS, instead I took the stock friction latches that hold the window
down on the stock door and mounted The female part just forward of the main
spar. Took the male part and mounted it to the bottom of the door frame. So if
you push the door all the way open it latches to the bottom of the wing out of
the way. Figured you could fly with the doors open that way like a J3. And yes
I put a bottom latch just behind the front bend in the door frame and one on
the rear frame about half way up.
Thanks for the reply.
Phil Smith
460R
N414D
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Phil
sounds good. you might ask if anyone with gull wing doors ever flew with
them open, that's a long door and I don't know what would happen when you
open it in flight, I never had the nerve to try it. If no one has done it
you jest became a test pilot.
approach it carefully. I would guess you have discovered you need to trim
the bottom front corner of the door off and add in a piece to the front door
post and sill to clear the strut. I miscalculated the strut position the
first time and had to redo it.
let me know how it works to open it in flight. Don't mean to sound negative
but I've had a couple not to fun times when doors opened that didn't like
being opened in flight.
Keith
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sounds good. you might ask if anyone with gull wing doors ever flew with
them open, that's a long door and I don't know what would happen when you
open it in flight, I never had the nerve to try it. If no one has done it
you jest became a test pilot.
approach it carefully. I would guess you have discovered you need to trim
the bottom front corner of the door off and add in a piece to the front door
post and sill to clear the strut. I miscalculated the strut position the
first time and had to redo it.
let me know how it works to open it in flight. Don't mean to sound negative
but I've had a couple not to fun times when doors opened that didn't like
being opened in flight.
Keith
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Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: REBEL Doors
mfc@libby.orgIn a message dated 6/21/2004 7:13:34 PM Central Standard Time,
withwrites:
using gas struts to hold them open you don't have to have a hold up catch,
and if you set them up right they will over center on closing and help
windowlatching, don't use that for your only latch.install a latch on the bottom
of the door.
KIETH
I've got clearance on the wing tank drains. Didn't use gas struts to save
weight and KISS, instead I took the stock friction latches that hold the
maindown on the stock door and mounted The female part just forward of the
So ifspar. Took the male part and mounted it to the bottom of the door frame.
out ofyou push the door all the way open it latches to the bottom of the wing
yesthe way. Figured you could fly with the doors open that way like a J3. And
onI put a bottom latch just behind the front bend in the door frame and one
the rear frame about half way up.
Thanks for the reply.
Phil Smith
460R
N414D
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Hello there Phil and Keith,
I know Rick Fords Rebel had gull-wing doors on it and the door had a little
gas strut to hold them open and help them close. If I remember correctly the
opened slowly and quite controlled. I somewhat remember something about him
telling me that he flew his rebel with one door open (his) but don't quote
me on it.
I have pictures of his door setup if someone needs them.
Rick may still be on the list although he does not own his rebel anymore.
Rick are you still here?
Michael Snow
Tundra #003
www.watchmebuildit.com
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Phil
sounds good. you might ask if anyone with gull wing doors ever flew with
them open, that's a long door and I don't know what would happen when you
open it in flight, I never had the nerve to try it. If no one has done it
you jest became a test pilot.
approach it carefully. I would guess you have discovered you need to trim
the bottom front corner of the door off and add in a piece to the front door
post and sill to clear the strut. I miscalculated the strut position the
first time and had to redo it.
let me know how it works to open it in flight. Don't mean to sound negative
but I've had a couple not to fun times when doors opened that didn't like
being opened in flight.
Keith
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I know Rick Fords Rebel had gull-wing doors on it and the door had a little
gas strut to hold them open and help them close. If I remember correctly the
opened slowly and quite controlled. I somewhat remember something about him
telling me that he flew his rebel with one door open (his) but don't quote
me on it.
I have pictures of his door setup if someone needs them.
Rick may still be on the list although he does not own his rebel anymore.
Rick are you still here?
Michael Snow
Tundra #003
www.watchmebuildit.com
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Sent: June 23, 2004 8:06 PM
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Phil
sounds good. you might ask if anyone with gull wing doors ever flew with
them open, that's a long door and I don't know what would happen when you
open it in flight, I never had the nerve to try it. If no one has done it
you jest became a test pilot.
approach it carefully. I would guess you have discovered you need to trim
the bottom front corner of the door off and add in a piece to the front door
post and sill to clear the strut. I miscalculated the strut position the
first time and had to redo it.
let me know how it works to open it in flight. Don't mean to sound negative
but I've had a couple not to fun times when doors opened that didn't like
being opened in flight.
Keith
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Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: REBEL Doors
mfc@libby.orgIn a message dated 6/21/2004 7:13:34 PM Central Standard Time,
withwrites:
using gas struts to hold them open you don't have to have a hold up catch,
and if you set them up right they will over center on closing and help
windowlatching, don't use that for your only latch.install a latch on the bottom
of the door.
KIETH
I've got clearance on the wing tank drains. Didn't use gas struts to save
weight and KISS, instead I took the stock friction latches that hold the
maindown on the stock door and mounted The female part just forward of the
So ifspar. Took the male part and mounted it to the bottom of the door frame.
out ofyou push the door all the way open it latches to the bottom of the wing
yesthe way. Figured you could fly with the doors open that way like a J3. And
onI put a bottom latch just behind the front bend in the door frame and one
the rear frame about half way up.
Thanks for the reply.
Phil Smith
460R
N414D
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Could you post the pictures of the set up to the list. We are about to start
building our doors and want to put in gull wing style doors.
Thanks
Steve H
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->
-> I know Rick Fords Rebel had gull-wing doors on it and the door had a little
-> gas strut to hold them open and help them close. If I remember correctly the
-> opened slowly and quite controlled. I somewhat remember something about him
-> telling me that he flew his rebel with one door open (his) but don't quote
-> me on it.
-> I have pictures of his door setup if someone needs them.
->
-> Rick may still be on the list although he does not own his rebel anymore.
-> Rick are you still here?
->
->
-> Michael Snow
-> Tundra #003
-> www.watchmebuildit.com
->
->
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-> Sent: June 23, 2004 8:06 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
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->
-> Phil
-> sounds good. you might ask if anyone with gull wing doors ever flew with
-> them open, that's a long door and I don't know what would happen when you
-> open it in flight, I never had the nerve to try it. If no one has done it
-> you jest became a test pilot.
-> approach it carefully. I would guess you have discovered you need to trim
-> the bottom front corner of the door off and add in a piece to the front door
-> post and sill to clear the strut. I miscalculated the strut position the
-> first time and had to redo it.
-> let me know how it works to open it in flight. Don't mean to sound negative
-> but I've had a couple not to fun times when doors opened that didn't like
-> being opened in flight.
-> Keith
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <LisaFly99@aol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:05 PM
-> Subject: Re: REBEL Doors
->
->
-> > In a message dated 6/21/2004 7:13:34 PM Central Standard Time,
-> mfc@libby.org
-> > writes:
-> > using gas struts to hold them open you don't have to have a hold up catch,
-> > and if you set them up right they will over center on closing and help
-> with
-> > latching, don't use that for your only latch.install a latch on the bottom
-> > of the door.
-> > KIETH
-> > I've got clearance on the wing tank drains. Didn't use gas struts to save
-> > weight and KISS, instead I took the stock friction latches that hold the
-> window
-> > down on the stock door and mounted The female part just forward of the
-> main
-> > spar. Took the male part and mounted it to the bottom of the door frame.
-> So if
-> > you push the door all the way open it latches to the bottom of the wing
-> out of
-> > the way. Figured you could fly with the doors open that way like a J3. And
-> yes
-> > I put a bottom latch just behind the front bend in the door frame and one
-> on
-> > the rear frame about half way up.
-> > Thanks for the reply.
-> > Phil Smith
-> > 460R
-> > N414D
-> >
-> >
-> >
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building our doors and want to put in gull wing style doors.
Thanks
Steve H
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->
-> Hello there Phil and Keith,
->
-> I know Rick Fords Rebel had gull-wing doors on it and the door had a little
-> gas strut to hold them open and help them close. If I remember correctly the
-> opened slowly and quite controlled. I somewhat remember something about him
-> telling me that he flew his rebel with one door open (his) but don't quote
-> me on it.
-> I have pictures of his door setup if someone needs them.
->
-> Rick may still be on the list although he does not own his rebel anymore.
-> Rick are you still here?
->
->
-> Michael Snow
-> Tundra #003
-> www.watchmebuildit.com
->
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of MFC
-> Sent: June 23, 2004 8:06 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: REBEL Doors
->
-> Phil
-> sounds good. you might ask if anyone with gull wing doors ever flew with
-> them open, that's a long door and I don't know what would happen when you
-> open it in flight, I never had the nerve to try it. If no one has done it
-> you jest became a test pilot.
-> approach it carefully. I would guess you have discovered you need to trim
-> the bottom front corner of the door off and add in a piece to the front door
-> post and sill to clear the strut. I miscalculated the strut position the
-> first time and had to redo it.
-> let me know how it works to open it in flight. Don't mean to sound negative
-> but I've had a couple not to fun times when doors opened that didn't like
-> being opened in flight.
-> Keith
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <LisaFly99@aol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:05 PM
-> Subject: Re: REBEL Doors
->
->
-> > In a message dated 6/21/2004 7:13:34 PM Central Standard Time,
-> mfc@libby.org
-> > writes:
-> > using gas struts to hold them open you don't have to have a hold up catch,
-> > and if you set them up right they will over center on closing and help
-> with
-> > latching, don't use that for your only latch.install a latch on the bottom
-> > of the door.
-> > KIETH
-> > I've got clearance on the wing tank drains. Didn't use gas struts to save
-> > weight and KISS, instead I took the stock friction latches that hold the
-> window
-> > down on the stock door and mounted The female part just forward of the
-> main
-> > spar. Took the male part and mounted it to the bottom of the door frame.
-> So if
-> > you push the door all the way open it latches to the bottom of the wing
-> out of
-> > the way. Figured you could fly with the doors open that way like a J3. And
-> yes
-> > I put a bottom latch just behind the front bend in the door frame and one
-> on
-> > the rear frame about half way up.
-> > Thanks for the reply.
-> > Phil Smith
-> > 460R
-> > N414D
-> >
-> >
-> >
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Hi Steve,
I tried to post the pics to the list but it bounced back saying no
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Michael,
You have to go to the list web site to posts pictures. Pick the plane and
category to place them in.
http://www.dcsol.com:81/default.htm
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steveh@dcsol.com writes:
Could you post the pictures of the set up to the list. We are about to start
building our doors and want to put in gull wing style doors.
Thanks
STEVE H
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steveh@dcsol.com writes:
Could you post the pictures of the set up to the list. We are about to start
building our doors and want to put in gull wing style doors.
Thanks
STEVE H
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Hi all, I have flown my airplane with the gull wing doors open many times.
how else can you do a ballon drop? did try to latch the doors against the wing
bottom once, but as I tried to push it up to latch, the stick feel really
changed. I only tried it once and I won't try it again. I may try removing the
doors though. unlatched the doors just float at about a 45% angle with no effect
on flying. I do like my doors for float ops, but they are all I have ever used
so I cannot compare. Curt n97mr
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how else can you do a ballon drop? did try to latch the doors against the wing
bottom once, but as I tried to push it up to latch, the stick feel really
changed. I only tried it once and I won't try it again. I may try removing the
doors though. unlatched the doors just float at about a 45% angle with no effect
on flying. I do like my doors for float ops, but they are all I have ever used
so I cannot compare. Curt n97mr
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