seats

sr227 · Post by **sr227** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:30 pm

Mike,

I sent you some photos off line. I built up the height and width of my moose
seats.

regards, az #227

On 12/9/2005 4:15 PM, mbetti@up.net wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Does anyone have a source for foam to build up my seats? Also, looking for
any pictures of finished seats for ideas.
-> Thanks,
-> Mike Betti
-> 771E

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Mike Betti · Post by **Mike Betti** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:32 pm

Thanks,
Nicest ones I seen yet.
Mike
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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:31 PM
Subject: RE: Seats

Mike,

I sent you some photos off line. I built up the height and width of my
moose
seats.

regards, az #227

On 12/9/2005 4:15 PM, mbetti@up.net wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Does anyone have a source for foam to build up my seats? Also, looking
for
any pictures of finished seats for ideas.
-> Thanks,
-> Mike Betti
-> 771E

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Ralph Baker · Post by **Ralph Baker** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:32 pm

Mike,
Our ConForfoam (used to be temperfoam) was obtained from Jim Fix at FixProps out in the midwest USA. Sorry I don't remember the state. He has three different densities and different thicknesses. Jim will tell you how to bond it. We bought ours at Sun&Fun. It seems hard as a rock when you first sit on it but soon softens and conforms. The only drawback is expense but we would use it again as a good value. After all, the seat is the one piece of equipment you are using all the time you are in the plane.

Our seats are 3 one inch layers, one of each density. The seat back is 2 one inch layers, soft and medium. You will want to sit in the plane in flight attitude and decide how much foam you will need for proper viewing height before ordering.

One caution, encase the foam (any foam I suspect) in a closely fitted muslin or percale cover. Other wise the upholstery fabric abrades the foam as you squirm around on it.
Ralph Baker

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Rick Harper · Post by **Rick Harper** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:32 pm

G'day Guys ...

Jim is in Nebraska .... I was there in 2003 & bought some Temperfoam (as it seems it was called back then ) from him

Rick
541R
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: seats

Mike,
Our ConForfoam (used to be temperfoam) was obtained from Jim Fix at FixProps out in the midwest USA. Sorry I don't remember the state. He has three different densities and different thicknesses. Jim will tell you how to bond it. We bought ours at Sun&Fun. It seems hard as a rock when you first sit on it but soon softens and conforms. The only drawback is expense but we would use it again as a good value. After all, the seat is the one piece of equipment you are using all the time you are in the plane.

Our seats are 3 one inch layers, one of each density. The seat back is 2 one inch layers, soft and medium. You will want to sit in the plane in flight attitude and decide how much foam you will need for proper viewing height before ordering.

One caution, encase the foam (any foam I suspect) in a closely fitted muslin or percale cover. Other wise the upholstery fabric abrades the foam as you squirm around on it.
Ralph Baker

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Alan Hepburn · Post by **Alan Hepburn** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:33 pm

This one's come up before. I got "Conforfoam" at Oshkosh. It's nice, but a
little heavy. Also, in winter, it's like a rock until your but warms it up.
All in all, for a summer airplane, I'm happy with it.

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Mike Betti · Post by **Mike Betti** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:33 pm

Thanks,
How high did you build yours up? In rough numbers what's the cost of this
type of foam.
Mike
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Subject: Re: Seats

This one's come up before. I got "Conforfoam" at Oshkosh. It's nice, but
a
little heavy. Also, in winter, it's like a rock until your but warms it
up.
All in all, for a summer airplane, I'm happy with it.

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Alan Hepburn · Post by **Alan Hepburn** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:33 pm

Mike:

I used 3 layers on the sets, and 2 layers on the backs. It comes in three
different grades. You put the softest layer next to your body. For two
seats, the foam cost me $210 US. URL is www.seatfoam.com

Al

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dmp · Post by **dmp** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:33 pm

On 9 Dec 2005 at 19:15, Mike Betti wrote:

Does anyone have a source for foam to build up my seats? Also, looking for any pictures of finished seats for ideas.

You can get Confor foam directly from the manufacturer, E-A-R, and they have five
different stiffnesses. They're quite a bit cheaper than the guys at the airshows, but
have a fairly large minimum order. (When I checked a few years ago, the minimum
order would of been enough material for 2 four seaters.)

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David Parrish

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Mike Betti · Post by **Mike Betti** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:33 pm

Thanks Al.............

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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:02 PM
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Mike:

I used 3 layers on the sets, and 2 layers on the backs. It comes in three
different grades. You put the softest layer next to your body. For two
seats, the foam cost me $210 US. URL is www.seatfoam.com

Al

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Ralph Baker · Post by **Ralph Baker** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:48 am

Gary,
We have ConforFoam with leather over using the standard MAM frame. Aluminum sheet is riveted to the frame back as per MAM. If I had it to do over I would wrap the aluminum and rivet to itself. Also would add seat and back wedges for support. We bought our foam at Sun&Fun from Jim Fix at Fix Props (he also does prop repair). It is great stuff. We have three densities in the seat and two in the back. A local aircraft shop did the upholstery and did a fine job. Actually, I have a local shop adding ConforFoam to a motorcycle seat as well. The seat is the one part of the airplane used 100% of the time and do take the time and money to get it right.

One consideration with Oregon Aero is the seat frame. The MAM frame is not "G" rated to my knowlege. If Oregon Aero supplies the frame it probably has a "G" rating and crumple design. Might ask them.
Ralph Baker

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John R. Davidson · Post by **John R. Davidson** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Well, last summer, I leaned back pretty heavily on the seat back and felt a little pop. Since then the seat has been leaning a bit farther back than originally and today I finally got around to pulling the seat to have a look.

Is this old hat to all of you? Sorry, I can't get the archives to work for me.

Anyway, the tubular frame of the of the horizontal part of the seat is snapped just ahead of where the gussets are welded. The fracture passes through a rivet hole. I am just wondering if there is an official fix for this, or shall I improvise? Improvising would probably entail drilling out the other seat pan holding rivets, then sliding a piece of tube up the inside of the broken tube and position it to bridge the fracture. Then re-rivet the seat pan. I'll try to position the inner tube so its end is not too close to a rivet hole, to minimize stress concentration. Any thoughts/suggestions appreciated. JohnToronto

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