[rebel-builders] It was just a matter of time .......

[Bob Palmer]

Have you checked out Bad Elf GPS with an IPhone or IPad and using
Jeppesen as a data source?



On 10/7/2011 8:52 AM, Bob Patterson wrote:

Somebody was going to do this !

http://www.androidflightdirector.com/

Looks like a cheap Chinese 10" Android tablet computer
with moving map GPS, for $699.99 .....
$49/year map subscription... if you want it ...

Cheaper than buying maps, plus some utility ...
Hardware quality might not be great, but price is right !

Maybe next just the software will be available for any computer ...
it's not that hard to do ! Actually, there's free open source GPS
software available NOW for Linux - just scan your own maps, or d/l the
existing road maps ... Used it several years ago to get to Sun 'n Fun !
(also good for the car .... ;-) )

We used GPSDrive, and a cheap USB GPS antenna that came with
an outdated package of M$ Streets& Roads bought locally ...
(- $29 !! -- tossed the M$ software .. kept the antenna ! )

There's also Roadnav, Navit, and Viking ...
some of these can use Garmin maps, others use Google Maps,
and all can use OpenStreetMaps .... ALL free software !!!

Ain't Linux grand !! ;-) (Android IS Linux ...)


......bobp
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[Alan Hepburn]

You'll note that not many of them offer Canadian coverage. About the only
one that does is ForeFlight, which has US VFR sectionals plus Canadian IFR
enroutes and IAPs. Fltplan.com also has Canadian charts, but its in-flight
capabilities are very limited.

Al Hepburn

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Somebody was going to do this !

http://www.androidflightdirector.com/

Looks like a cheap Chinese 10" Android tablet computer
with moving map GPS, for $699.99 .....
$49/year map subscription... if you want it ...

Cheaper than buying maps, plus some utility ...
Hardware quality might not be great, but price is right !

Maybe next just the software will be available for any computer ...
it's not that hard to do ! Actually, there's free open source GPS
software available NOW for Linux - just scan your own maps, or d/l the
existing road maps ... Used it several years ago to get to Sun 'n Fun !
(also good for the car .... ;-) )

We used GPSDrive, and a cheap USB GPS antenna that came with
an outdated package of M$ Streets & Roads bought locally ...
(- $29 !! -- tossed the M$ software .. kept the antenna ! )

There's also Roadnav, Navit, and Viking ...
some of these can use Garmin maps, others use Google Maps,
and all can use OpenStreetMaps .... ALL free software !!!

Ain't Linux grand !! ;-) (Android IS Linux ...)


......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
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[Alan Hepburn]

Bad Elf is OK, but I use the Dual XGPS150, since it works over Bluetooth.
Jep is too expensive here in Canada. Foreflight uses government data - FAA
and NavCanada.

Al

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Palmer
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:17 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] It was just a matter of time .......

Have you checked out Bad Elf GPS with an IPhone or IPad and using
Jeppesen as a data source?



On 10/7/2011 8:52 AM, Bob Patterson wrote:

Somebody was going to do this !

http://www.androidflightdirector.com/

Looks like a cheap Chinese 10" Android tablet computer
with moving map GPS, for $699.99 .....
$49/year map subscription... if you want it ...

Cheaper than buying maps, plus some utility ...
Hardware quality might not be great, but price is right !

Maybe next just the software will be available for any computer ...
it's not that hard to do ! Actually, there's free open source GPS
software available NOW for Linux - just scan your own maps, or d/l the
existing road maps ... Used it several years ago to get to Sun 'n Fun !
(also good for the car .... ;-) )

We used GPSDrive, and a cheap USB GPS antenna that came with
an outdated package of M$ Streets& Roads bought locally ...
(- $29 !! -- tossed the M$ software .. kept the antenna ! )

There's also Roadnav, Navit, and Viking ...
some of these can use Garmin maps, others use Google Maps,
and all can use OpenStreetMaps .... ALL free software !!!

Ain't Linux grand !! ;-) (Android IS Linux ...)


......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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[Bob Patterson]

Sorry - not Open Source, and definitely NOT free !!

No interest ....

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On Friday 07 October 2011 12:17:18 Bob Palmer wrote:

Have you checked out Bad Elf GPS with an IPhone or IPad and using
Jeppesen as a data source?

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On 10/7/2011 8:52 AM, Bob Patterson wrote:

Somebody was going to do this !

http://www.androidflightdirector.com/

Looks like a cheap Chinese 10" Android tablet computer

with moving map GPS, for $699.99 .....

$49/year map subscription... if you want it ...

Cheaper than buying maps, plus some utility ...

Hardware quality might not be great, but price is right !

Maybe next just the software will be available for any computer ...

it's not that hard to do ! Actually, there's free open source GPS
software available NOW for Linux - just scan your own maps, or d/l the
existing road maps ... Used it several years ago to get to Sun 'n Fun !
(also good for the car .... ;-) )

We used GPSDrive, and a cheap USB GPS antenna that came with

an outdated package of M$ Streets& Roads bought locally ...
(- $29 !! -- tossed the M$ software .. kept the antenna ! )

There's also Roadnav, Navit, and Viking ...

some of these can use Garmin maps, others use Google Maps,
and all can use OpenStreetMaps .... ALL free software !!!

Ain't Linux grand !! ;-) (Android IS Linux ...)

......bobp

bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com

http://www.Pattersys.com

http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Ahhh.. my paper map, where would I be without it??

Lost !

;O)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bobp@prosumers.ca>
To: "Rebel List" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:52 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] It was just a matter of time .......

Somebody was going to do this !

http://www.androidflightdirector.com/

Looks like a cheap Chinese 10" Android tablet computer
with moving map GPS, for $699.99 .....
$49/year map subscription... if you want it ...

Cheaper than buying maps, plus some utility ...
Hardware quality might not be great, but price is right !

Maybe next just the software will be available for any computer ...
it's not that hard to do ! Actually, there's free open source GPS
software available NOW for Linux - just scan your own maps, or d/l the
existing road maps ... Used it several years ago to get to Sun 'n Fun !
(also good for the car .... ;-) )

We used GPSDrive, and a cheap USB GPS antenna that came with
an outdated package of M$ Streets & Roads bought locally ...
(- $29 !! -- tossed the M$ software .. kept the antenna ! )

There's also Roadnav, Navit, and Viking ...
some of these can use Garmin maps, others use Google Maps,
and all can use OpenStreetMaps .... ALL free software !!!

Ain't Linux grand !! ;-) (Android IS Linux ...)


......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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[Roland Kriening]

Now we just need Transport Canada to digitize our maps.

Roland

-----Original Message-----
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Palmer
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:17 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] It was just a matter of time .......

Have you checked out Bad Elf GPS with an IPhone or IPad and using
Jeppesen as a data source?



On 10/7/2011 8:52 AM, Bob Patterson wrote:

Somebody was going to do this !

http://www.androidflightdirector.com/

Looks like a cheap Chinese 10" Android tablet computer
with moving map GPS, for $699.99 .....
$49/year map subscription... if you want it ...

Cheaper than buying maps, plus some utility ...
Hardware quality might not be great, but price is right !

Maybe next just the software will be available for any computer ...
it's not that hard to do ! Actually, there's free open source GPS
software available NOW for Linux - just scan your own maps, or d/l the
existing road maps ... Used it several years ago to get to Sun 'n Fun !
(also good for the car .... ;-) )

We used GPSDrive, and a cheap USB GPS antenna that came with
an outdated package of M$ Streets& Roads bought locally ...
(- $29 !! -- tossed the M$ software .. kept the antenna ! )

There's also Roadnav, Navit, and Viking ...
some of these can use Garmin maps, others use Google Maps,
and all can use OpenStreetMaps .... ALL free software !!!

Ain't Linux grand !! ;-) (Android IS Linux ...)


......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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[Ken]

Already done this past summer. Look at Foreflight for the ipad. They
spent a lot of time showing navscam how to do it.
Ken

On 07/10/2011 12:57 PM, Roland Kriening wrote:

Now we just need Transport Canada to digitize our maps.

Roland

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[Garry Wright]

Does anyone know why Foreflight opted to get only the IFR stuff for Canada
and skipped the sectionals?

Garry

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Ken <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:

Already done this past summer. Look at Foreflight for the ipad. They
spent a lot of time showing navscam how to do it.
Ken

On 07/10/2011 12:57 PM, Roland Kriening wrote:

Now we just need Transport Canada to digitize our maps.

Roland

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[Ken]

I've seen Canadian VFR sectionals on an ipad and read on their website
that they are available for I think $79./yr Garry. These became
available in August. (Unless I've confused Foreflight with someone else.)

Also of interest to me is the ifly700 gps that should have the rest of
Canada quite soon (only had East of Thunder Bay last time I looked).
They say they also will soon have free ADSB weather for the areas in
Canada that have ADSB. That really intrigues me.

Ken

On 07/10/2011 4:53 PM, Garry Wright wrote:

Does anyone know why Foreflight opted to get only the IFR stuff for Canada
and skipped the sectionals?

Garry

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[Ben Ransom]

Anyone know if there is any truth to a report I had read (9 months back)
that some of the ipad gps flight aids do not work above 10k msl?

-Ben

On 10/7/11 8:52 AM, "Bob Patterson" <bobp@prosumers.ca> wrote:

Somebody was going to do this !

http://www.androidflightdirector.com/

Looks like a cheap Chinese 10" Android tablet computer
with moving map GPS, for $699.99 .....
$49/year map subscription... if you want it ...

Cheaper than buying maps, plus some utility ...
Hardware quality might not be great, but price is right !

Maybe next just the software will be available for any computer ...
it's not that hard to do ! Actually, there's free open source GPS
software available NOW for Linux - just scan your own maps, or d/l the
existing road maps ... Used it several years ago to get to Sun 'n Fun !
(also good for the car .... ;-) )

We used GPSDrive, and a cheap USB GPS antenna that came with
an outdated package of M$ Streets & Roads bought locally ...
(- $29 !! -- tossed the M$ software .. kept the antenna ! )

There's also Roadnav, Navit, and Viking ...
some of these can use Garmin maps, others use Google Maps,
and all can use OpenStreetMaps .... ALL free software !!!

Ain't Linux grand !! ;-) (Android IS Linux ...)


......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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[Garry Wright]

I have a foreflight subscription and just looked up their Canadian FAQ doc.
They do not have VNC coverage but say that are working on it. IFR is $150/yr
which is nearly twice the cost of the American subscription. I suspect we
all know why that is so.

Garry

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Ken <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:

I've seen Canadian VFR sectionals on an ipad and read on their website
that they are available for I think $79./yr Garry. These became
available in August. (Unless I've confused Foreflight with someone else.)

Also of interest to me is the ifly700 gps that should have the rest of
Canada quite soon (only had East of Thunder Bay last time I looked).
They say they also will soon have free ADSB weather for the areas in
Canada that have ADSB. That really intrigues me.

Ken

On 07/10/2011 4:53 PM, Garry Wright wrote:

Does anyone know why Foreflight opted to get only the IFR stuff for

Canada

and skipped the sectionals?

Garry

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[ray]

Just a note on the harddrive not working at altitude,its because the reader
thingy rides on a layer of air and as the air thins it can make direct
contact with the disc and destroy it and all the info on it. This damage is
permanent and unrecoverable if it goes on long enough as I understand it.Ray
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] It was just a matter of time .......

Already done this past summer. Look at Foreflight for the ipad. They
spent a lot of time showing navscam how to do it.
Ken

On 07/10/2011 12:57 PM, Roland Kriening wrote:

Now we just need Transport Canada to digitize our maps.

Roland

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[Ron Shannon]

Somebody must have hacked the iPad to use an SSD instead of the old style
electromechanical hard drive by now. ;-)

Ron


On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM, ray <raybot@comcast.net> wrote:

Just a note on the harddrive not working at altitude,its because the reader
thingy rides on a layer of air and as the air thins it can make direct
contact with the disc and destroy it and all the info on it. This damage is
permanent and unrecoverable if it goes on long enough as I understand
it.Ray

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