[rebel-builders] plumbing anti-Freeze for floats

[Keith Leitch]

I've always used the pink colored "RV" anti-freeze. Never had a problem...that I know about.
Keith

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, Ken <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:


From: Ken <klehman@albedo.net>
Subject: [rebel-builders] plumbing anti-Freeze for floats
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 5:19 PM


Apologies in advance for mentioning the F word and the W word

[Drew Dalgleish]

I've found that a shop vac and a sunny day will get my floats completely
dried out. Mine are stored inside over the winter so I haven't worried
about anti-freeze. How about flipping them upside down?

At 06:19 PM 15/09/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Apologies in advance for mentioning the F word and the W word ;(

Do we know which plumbing anti-freeze is safe for floats built with
Sikkaflex? Seems there is the ethanol based stuff and the more expensive
propylene glycol stuff which I'm guessing might be less corrosive on
aluminum. I don't think I can dry them out and keep them dry over the
Winter.

Ken

Drew



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[Ken]

I suppose they COULD be flipped but not easily. OK it would be easy but
maybe painful. I was planning to leave them on the airplane over the
winter. I figure it is safer to land in a snow covered field on floats
than on wheels.

Keith
Wally mart sells two kinds of pink RV/plumbing antifreeze. One is alky
and the other is Propylene. I'll check the label again. One might not
have said "RV" on the label.

Ken


Drew Dalgleish wrote:

I've found that a shop vac and a sunny day will get my floats completely
dried out. Mine are stored inside over the winter so I haven't worried
about anti-freeze. How about flipping them upside down?

At 06:19 PM 15/09/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Apologies in advance for mentioning the F word and the W word ;(

Do we know which plumbing anti-freeze is safe for floats built with
Sikkaflex? Seems there is the ethanol based stuff and the more expensive
propylene glycol stuff which I'm guessing might be less corrosive on
aluminum. I don't think I can dry them out and keep them dry over the
Winter.

Ken

Drew

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[Drew Dalgleish]

I guess it could get expensive if you flipped them over with the plane
still attached. I didn't realize you were planning to forgo the fun of
changing back to wheels this fall. I've got my hangar set up so I can
change either way in less than half a day. Now I just have to get busy and
rebuild my skis to fit my wider wheels.

At 07:26 PM 15/09/2010 -0400, you wrote:

I suppose they COULD be flipped but not easily. OK it would be easy but
maybe painful. I was planning to leave them on the airplane over the
winter. I figure it is safer to land in a snow covered field on floats
than on wheels.

Keith
Wally mart sells two kinds of pink RV/plumbing antifreeze. One is alky
and the other is Propylene. I'll check the label again. One might not
have said "RV" on the label.

Ken


Drew Dalgleish wrote:

I've found that a shop vac and a sunny day will get my floats completely
dried out. Mine are stored inside over the winter so I haven't worried
about anti-freeze. How about flipping them upside down?

At 06:19 PM 15/09/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Apologies in advance for mentioning the F word and the W word ;(

Do we know which plumbing anti-freeze is safe for floats built with
Sikkaflex? Seems there is the ethanol based stuff and the more expensive
propylene glycol stuff which I'm guessing might be less corrosive on
aluminum. I don't think I can dry them out and keep them dry over the
Winter.

Ken

Drew

Drew



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[Angus McKenzie]

Drew, I'd like to hear how you set up your hangar to do the change-over. My trusses are on 4' centres and my plan was to put the Rebel nose close to the back wall. Put 2- 2x6 or 8's on their edges(spanning from the inside of the end wall over the span of 2 trusses inside the bottom truss chord with one end on top of an end wall post and then use 1/2"kernmantle rope to suspend them from the top chord of two trusses. ......Then use the 2 edgwise 2x6s to hang my 2 chain-falls to lift the plane enough to roll the floats out from under. Will use a 45gal drum or something like that under the tail spring.

...............Should only have to support 400lbs per side considering I'm leaving 300lbs of floats on the hangar floor and the weight on the tail support.



I want to do some float modifications, they have well over 1000hrs on them and I plan to add hatches, beef up the bulk-heads that support the main-gear pivot points and install the die-springs that you and I got (how many years ago?). Plus repair some pesky leaks that are always anoying.



I duplicated Walter's rear sill damage on my right side and will fix that area as well........Carm and Jack both said that would happen.......Angus

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:33:48 -0400
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
From: drewjan@cabletv.on.ca
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] plumbing anti-Freeze for floats

I guess it could get expensive if you flipped them over with the plane
still attached. I didn't realize you were planning to forgo the fun of
changing back to wheels this fall. I've got my hangar set up so I can
change either way in less than half a day. Now I just have to get busy and
rebuild my skis to fit my wider wheels.

At 07:26 PM 15/09/2010 -0400, you wrote:

I suppose they COULD be flipped but not easily. OK it would be easy but
maybe painful. I was planning to leave them on the airplane over the
winter. I figure it is safer to land in a snow covered field on floats
than on wheels.

Keith
Wally mart sells two kinds of pink RV/plumbing antifreeze. One is alky
and the other is Propylene. I'll check the label again. One might not
have said "RV" on the label.

Ken


Drew Dalgleish wrote:

I've found that a shop vac and a sunny day will get my floats completely
dried out. Mine are stored inside over the winter so I haven't worried
about anti-freeze. How about flipping them upside down?

At 06:19 PM 15/09/2010 -0400, you wrote: Drew

Drew



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[Drew Dalgleish]

Hi Angus Since your hangar supports a snow load I'm sure what you propose
would be more than strong enough. I doubt the rope is even neccessary but
it can't hurt. A 45gal. barrel won't be high enough and will make it hard
to lower the plane. Better off to get a snatch block from princess auto tie
it to a truss and rig a Z haul to somewhere on the ground.
the hangar I rent is a steel truss building. I have a snatch block
attached to one of the trusses with a nylon lifting strap. I use a 3/16"
cable to go from my chain falls which is attached to a wall truss at knee
height around the pulley and then 2 lifting straps which lift from the wing
root front fittings. At the tail I have a rope around a snatch block that
goes to a come-a-long that I can reach from the ground.
I repaired both my sills long ago. You and Walter are far superior pilots
to have gone this long without damage. If I was smarter I would have done
both sides at the same time. I think it would be a lot easier if starting
with straight metal.

At 12:44 AM 16/09/2010 +0000, you wrote:

Drew, I'd like to hear how you set up your hangar to do the change-over.

My trusses are on 4' centres and my plan was to put the Rebel nose close to
the back wall. Put 2- 2x6 or 8's on their edges(spanning from the inside of
the end wall over the span of 2 trusses inside the bottom truss chord with
one end on top of an end wall post and then use 1/2"kernmantle rope to
suspend them from the top chord of two trusses. ......Then use the 2
edgwise 2x6s to hang my 2 chain-falls to lift the plane enough to roll the
floats out from under. Will use a 45gal drum or something like that under
the tail spring.

...............Should only have to support 400lbs per side considering I'm

leaving 300lbs of floats on the hangar floor and the weight on the tail
support.

I want to do some float modifications, they have well over 1000hrs on them

and I plan to add hatches, beef up the bulk-heads that support the
main-gear pivot points and install the die-springs that you and I got (how
many years ago?). Plus repair some pesky leaks that are always anoying.

I duplicated Walter's rear sill damage on my right side and will fix that

area as well........Carm and Jack both said that would happen.......Angus

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:33:48 -0400
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
From: drewjan@cabletv.on.ca
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] plumbing anti-Freeze for floats

I guess it could get expensive if you flipped them over with the plane
still attached. I didn't realize you were planning to forgo the fun of
changing back to wheels this fall. I've got my hangar set up so I can
change either way in less than half a day. Now I just have to get busy and
rebuild my skis to fit my wider wheels.

At 07:26 PM 15/09/2010 -0400, you wrote:

I suppose they COULD be flipped but not easily. OK it would be easy but
maybe painful. I was planning to leave them on the airplane over the
winter. I figure it is safer to land in a snow covered field on floats
than on wheels.

Keith
Wally mart sells two kinds of pink RV/plumbing antifreeze. One is alky
and the other is Propylene. I'll check the label again. One might not
have said "RV" on the label.

Ken


Drew Dalgleish wrote:

expensive

Drew



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[Keith Leitch]

Hmm, I'll have to look at the jug when I return home. I am away for a family funeral at present. But if I remember correctly it is the RV anti freeze that you put in the drinking system and pump through the lines. I was told to use it by a guy that does floats.
Keith

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca> wrote:


From: Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] plumbing anti-Freeze for floats
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 6:33 PM


I guess it could get expensive if you flipped them over with the plane
still attached. I didn't realize you were planning to forgo the fun of
changing back to wheels this fall. I've got my hangar set up so I can
change either way in less than half a day. Now I just have to get busy and
rebuild my skis to fit my wider wheels.

At 07:26 PM 15/09/2010 -0400, you wrote:
[quote]I suppose they COULD be flipped but not easily. OK it would be easy but
maybe painful. I was planning to leave them on the airplane over the
winter. I figure it is safer to land in a snow covered field on floats
than on wheels.

Keith
Wally mart sells two kinds of pink RV/plumbing antifreeze. One is alky
and the other is Propylene. I'll check the label again. One might not
have said "RV" on the label.

Ken


Drew Dalgleish wrote:
[quote]I've found that a shop vac and a sunny day will get my floats completely
dried out. Mine are stored inside over the winter so I haven't worried
about anti-freeze. How about flipping them upside down?

At 06:19 PM 15/09/2010 -0400, you wrote:
[quote]Apologies in advance for mentioning the F word and the W word