Keith,
As Dad mentioned to you, the rudder control forces on my Rebel are much
lighter than Dad's. My Rebel is running 2 guides and 2 pulleys so that
probably has an impact. Also, I'm running a small tailwheel (not Murphy's)
and Dad is running a Scott 3200 so that is also a factor in the feel I'm sure.
Whatever the specific reason is, the difference is dramatic and was basically
the first comment that myself, Matt and Dad had after flying my Rebel was
the difference in the feel of the rudder. I have about 1/2 dozen landings on
pavement with the 26" Goodyears and I think the rudder forces are probably
a little too light. You really have to be on your toes.
As for landing distances (and take off distances for that matter) we're pretty
strong believers that the limiting factor in the real short performance of the
Rebel is limited by the angle of attack. Dad's Rebel with the 800 X 6 tires and
spring gear just doesn't have enough angle of attack to take full advantage
of his performance potential. The 26" Goodyears seem to be a good fit so
far. We only have about 13 hours on my now since the rebuild was
completed so we're still working through performance. The only down side to
the bigger tires so far is that gear shakes pretty good after you break groung
and the gear starts vibrating once you get over about 115 MPH. It really is a
nice flying plane though. I was hoping to bring it to Fall Colors but with my
wife due with our 2nd child in 2 weeks and some issues I have going on at
work, I just couldn't justify taking off for a couple of days.
Hope to get up your way in the next year for sure.
James
On 9/22/2009 4:13 PM,
siks@ticon.net wrote to rebel-builders:
-> Hi Keith,
-> Your welcome but remember a few things there were 2 of us and 40 gal.
-> of fuel on board,, I had only made 3 landings at that strip before ours, and
-> I was not familiar with the effect of the quartering cross wind over the
-> trees. I get in to my home airport quite a bit slower with flaps and power
-> but as Ken said with that kind of an approach you better be ready to land
-> when the Rebel is but it will land shorter. David says his strip is 1800
-> feet and we were stopped at a little over the half way point. The last
-> glance at the airspeed I saw 65 MPH and didn't want to get much slower
than
-> that at that strip and my knowledge of the strip. I hope we can get
together
-> again for a little more time in it. Hope your feeling better and it was a
-> great weekend.
->
-> Si
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Keith Leitch" <
im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
-> To: <
rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:05 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing speed and Thank you to Si Smith
->
->
-> > Ken,
-> >
-> > Thanks for the info. I guess I was a little "dissapointed" in the landing
-> > speed. I fly mostly out of short strips and the speed makes a big
-> > difference on these short strips. I guesss I was looking for better slow
-> > speed ability. Always wanted a Super Cub but they are WAY over priced
for
-> > what you get.
-> > Si had mentioned that his sons Rebel was using pulleys and the rudder
was
-> > much less hard.
-> >
-> > Regards,
-> > keith
-> >
-> > --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Ken <
klehman@albedo.net> wrote:
-> >
-> >
-> > From: Ken <
klehman@albedo.net>
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing speed and Thank you to Si Smith
-> > To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:56 AM
-> >
-> >
-> > Hi Keith
-> >
-> > We've seen Si's plane and agree that it is a "rocket"!
-> >
-> > FWIW my rudder (and elevator) is very light to move but I do have two
-> > pulleys on each of the four cables. Without the pulleys I've noticed
-> > that you can hear the rudder cables moving through the guides which
must
-> > add some friction.
-> >
-> > I normally approach at 60 to 65 knots. For a very short stop I'll come
-> > back as low as 50 over the threshold as long as I have some power on
and
-> > flaps but that would NOT be a recommended thing. The caution (as you
-> > will discover) is that when you get this wing behind the power curve, it
-> > will just sink instead of flaring. I generally like to keep a little
-> > power on until I'm certain I've flared and am not descending. Even in
-> > ground effect, there is often only a second or two between a level
-> > attitude and the 3 point attitude with power off. I would not like to
-> > experience a power loss if below about 65 knots with this airplane. No
-> > problem above 65 knots though. With power off you almost have to
-> > consciously push it down through the last 50 feet to keep the speed
from
-> > decaying. Weight affects all of this by a few knots. Anyway there's one
-> > opinion for you. No doubt there will be others ;)
-> >
-> > Ken
-> > (500+ Rebel landings so far...)
-> >
-> > Keith Leitch wrote:
-> >> First of...a big thank you to Si Smith for giving me a ride in his
-> >> very nice looking Rebel. We recently attended the Fall Colors Tour in
-> >> Northern MN and he arranged for me to hop aboard his Rebel for a
-> >> short blast. And Blast is exactly what it was. This was my first time
-> >> in a Rebel and I was very impressed. He let me take the stick for a
-> >> bit and I was very impressd with the light feel of the stick. I flew
-> >> my O-235 powered 7AC in the tour and compared to it the Rebel feels
-> >> like a sports car as far as the stick goes. I did notice though that
-> >> the rudders were MUCH harder than on my Champ. Is this typical? I am
-> >> not saying it was bad....just seems like the stick and the rudder
-> >> pedals are at very opposite extremes of force needed to move them. I
-> >> really liked the climb also. Seemed to climb like a rocket compared
-> >> to my 127 and Champ. Now to my main question....What speeds are
most
-> >> of you landing at? Maybe I am just used to the Champ but we seemed
to
-> >> land a lot faster in the Rebel than I normally land in my "Super
-> >> Champ". I was very pleased with Si's Rebel....Very nice looking and
-> >> performing plane. Again Si, thank you for the ride and experience.
-> >> Sorry I didn't say goodbye before I left but I was not feeling well
-> >> all day and needed to go home.
-> >>
-> >> Keith R661
-> >>
-> >>
-> >
-> >
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