Fred,
I believe the move to 5/8" is only required as part of the Moose 3500 lb
gross weight upgrade.
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From:
mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:
mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
fdarnell@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:26 PM
To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
Whew! Even though I was about to jump in and reply as Bob P has done, you
guys sure had be worried there for a minute. I've been flying mine for a
year
assuming 3000#, for the SR2500, no moose mods configuration...
My wing bolts are 1/2". Is there a recommendation to go to 5/8"?
Fred Darnell
On 9/10/2009 6:08 AM,
bobp@prosumers.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> That was certainly my understanding, Mike ! I think the original
-> design target was 2500 lb., but review showed 3000 lb was OK.
->
-> The old name stuck, as it had been well advertised - should have
-> been the SR-3000 .... ;-)
->
-> --
-> ......bobp
->
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->
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-> -------------------------------orig.-------------------------
-> On Thursday 10 September 2009 08:35, Mike Davis wrote:
-> > I was not aware they actually sold any kits with a 2500 lbs gross, I
think
-> > they were all 3000 lbs. Bobp?
-> >
-> > Mike
-> >
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "Jason Beall" <
super_rebel131@yahoo.com>
-> > To: <
rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:56 PM
-> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
-> >
-> > > Hi Ted,
-> > >
-> > > Unfortunately I will be limited to 2500 Lbs. I thought about doing
all
-> > > the Moose mods but I can't be bothered. I am trying to keep my empty
-> > > weight light to compensate. -Jason
-> > >
-> > > --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Ted Waltman <
ted@vafm.org> wrote:
-> > >> From: Ted Waltman <
ted@vafm.org>
-> > >> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
-> > >> To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 7:24 AM
-> > >> Thanks for your input, especially on
-> > >> the 185 wings, Jason. I can't believe
-> > >> I totally forgot about the two bushings that go in the wing
-> > >> fittings in
-> > >> yesterday's discussion--guess I'm not only senile, but
-> > >> getting old and
-> > >> forgetful too!
-> > >>
-> > >> Just curious, you say you have SR2500 wings. Are you
-> > >> going to list your
-> > >> gross weight at 2,500 or 3,000 lbs?
-> > >>
-> > >> Ted
-> > >>
-> > >> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> From:
mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:
mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> On Behalf Of Jason
-> > >> Beall
-> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:13 AM
-> > >> To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar
-> > >> attach size
-> > >>
-> > >> I just went through something similar with Murphy three
-> > >> months ago. I have a
-> > >> Moose fast build fuselage and SR2500 wings. I am licensing
-> > >> mine as a
-> > >> SuperRebel.
-> > >>
-> > >> I fabricated bushings to go in my 5/8 inch holes in the
-> > >> fuselage and am
-> > >> keeping my 1/2 inch attachment holes in the wings. Using
-> > >> 1/2 inch bolts.
-> > >>
-> > >> Murphy suggested this and it seems to look fine.
-> > >>
-> > >> I have a Cessna 185 parts manual I am using to help design
-> > >> the fuel system
-> > >> and the 185 uses 1/2 inch bolts.
-> > >>
-> > >> -Jason
-> > >>
-> > >>
-> > >>
-> > >> --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Richard Wampach <
rwampach@comcast.net>
-> > >>
-> > >> wrote:
-> > >> > From: Richard Wampach <
rwampach@comcast.net>
-> > >> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar
-> > >>
-> > >> attach size
-> > >>
-> > >> > To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> > Cc: "'Bob Patterson'" <
bobp@prosumers.ca>
-> > >> > Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:14 PM
-> > >> > Welcome Kelly
-> > >> > I must agree with Ted on the 5/8" bolt size for the
-> > >>
-> > >> wing
-> > >>
-> > >> > front spar
-> > >> > attachment as well as the top and bottom lift strut
-> > >>
-> > >> bolts.
-> > >>
-> > >> > I agree with Ted the 3/4" bolt could leave it with a
-> > >>
-> > >> pretty
-> > >>
-> > >> > close edge
-> > >> > distance.
-> > >> > Depending how old your kit is it could have started
-> > >>
-> > >> out
-> > >>
-> > >> > several sizes
-> > >> > smaller as Murphy upgraded from Rebel to Super
-> > >>
-> > >> Rebel-2500,
-> > >>
-> > >> > then a few
-> > >> > SR-3000# gross weight, and finally to the SR-3500.
-> > >> > The upgrade of a
-> > >> > -2500 was accomplished with 13, or 17 (?) mods
-> > >>
-> > >> weighing in
-> > >>
-> > >> > at about 81
-> > >> > pounds to make the plane a -3500 which was not a bad
-> > >>
-> > >> trade
-> > >>
-> > >> > off---81 #
-> > >> > increase weight to get a 1,000 # higher gross
-> > >>
-> > >> weight.
-> > >>
-> > >> > However it left a
-> > >> > number of us builders scratching our heads to follow
-> > >>
-> > >> it in
-> > >>
-> > >> > the manuals
-> > >> > and mod lists.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > I would recommend you send a request to Darryl, it may
-> > >>
-> > >> take
-> > >>
-> > >> > a few days
-> > >> > for him to respond, but it is a critical area.
-> > >> > Failure is not an
-> > >> > option!
-> > >> >
-> > >> > So could you share with us your location and status
-> > >>
-> > >> of
-> > >>
-> > >> > progress on your
-> > >> > kit?
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Dick Wampach SR-3500
-> > >> > N331RW
-> > >> >
-> > >> >
-> > >> > -----Original Message-----
-> > >> > From:
mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> > [mailto:
mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> > On Behalf Of
-> > >> > Ted Waltman
-> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:29 PM
-> > >> > To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front
-> > >>
-> > >> spar
-> > >>
-> > >> > attach size
-> > >> >
-> > >> > I can't imagine why the MAM-built wings have a 3/4"
-> > >>
-> > >> front
-> > >>
-> > >> > attach hole
-> > >> > size,
-> > >> > other than perhaps a mistake at the factory? I'd
-> > >> > start worrying
-> > >> > (perhaps?)
-> > >> > about edge-distance on the fitting at the 3/4"
-> > >>
-> > >> point.
-> > >>
-> > >> > That size
-> > >> > bolt/fitting in that location has a whole bunch of
-> > >>
-> > >> stress
-> > >>
-> > >> > on it!
-> > >> >
-> > >> > In most any other location I'd say a spacer is Ok.
-> > >> > However, since I'm
-> > >> > not
-> > >> > an engineer, when you're talking about the spar
-> > >>
-> > >> attach
-> > >>
-> > >> > point I would
-> > >> > encourage you to either talk to Darryl directly or to
-> > >>
-> > >> get
-> > >>
-> > >> > some
-> > >> > engineering
-> > >> > advice from someone (????).
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Ted
-> > >> >
-> > >> > -----Original Message-----
-> > >> > From:
mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> > [mailto:
mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> > On Behalf Of
-> > >> > Kelly
-> > >> > M. Ewing
-> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:17 PM
-> > >> > To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose project front
-> > >>
-> > >> spar
-> > >>
-> > >> > attach size
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Hi Ted thanks for the reply, I wish I knew of the
-> > >>
-> > >> email
-> > >>
-> > >> > list a year ago,
-> > >> > I
-> > >> > just found out about it 1 month ago from Bob. Thanks
-> > >>
-> > >> Bob.
-> > >>
-> > >> > Anyway, I am looking at the mam built wings and the
-> > >>
-> > >> front
-> > >>
-> > >> > attachment
-> > >> > hole is
-> > >> > 3/4". The matching hole on the fuselage is 5/8"?
-> > >> >
-> > >> > I see in the mods chapter 3 it does say 5/8" ( your
-> > >>
-> > >> correct
-> > >>
-> > >> > Ted) . I
-> > >> > wonder
-> > >> > why the wings have 3/4" holes and if a spacer is
-> > >> > acceptable.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Thanks for your input.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Kelly
-> > >> >
kelly@tru-form.ca
-> > >> > Enjoy your day !
-> > >> >
-> > >> >
-> > >> > -----Original Message-----
-> > >> > From: "Ted Waltman" <
ted@vafm.org>
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57
-> > >> > To: <
rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > >> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front
-> > >>
-> > >> spar
-> > >>
-> > >> > attach size
-> > >> >
-> > >> >
-> > >> > 3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's
-> > >> > the size bolt on two
-> > >> > Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Where in the manual did you see the reference to
-> > >> > 3/4"? I see an
-> > >> > instance
-> > >> > where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but
-> > >>
-> > >> I
-> > >>
-> > >> > can't find any
-> > >> > reference to 3/4".
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Ted Waltman
-> > >> >
-> > >> > -----Original Message-----
-> > >> > From:
mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> > [mailto:
mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> > On Behalf Of
-> > >> > Kelly
-> > >> > M. Ewing
-> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
-> > >> > To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> > Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project
-> > >> >
-> > >> > New post, first question to rebel builders.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets
-> > >>
-> > >> for the
-> > >>
-> > >> > wings are to
-> > >> > be
-> > >> > reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because
-> > >> > we are told to use
-> > >> > an "
-> > >> > AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use
-> > >> > a bushing? If so I've
-> > >> > missed this in the instructions.
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Thanks in advance
-> > >> >
-> > >> > Kelly
-> > >> >
kelly@tru-form.ca
-> > >> > Enjoy your day !
-> > >>
->
->
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