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From: "Timothy Carter" <TLCarter@classic.msn.com>
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Subject: Empty Weight
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Hi all:
Does anyone have any empty weight/type engine stats on completed and flying
Rebels?
I'm wondering what the ranges are with different engines, e.g. O-235, O-320,
etc... and different configurations in the landing gear.
To make mine work OK for me and the pax I'll carry, I'll need a basic empty
weight of 950 lb. with an O-320.
Does the 'real-world' say that is possible?
Thanks!
Tim Carter
#438R
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Empty Weight
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Charlie Eubanks
Empty weight
Pain is aching/dull and continuous. Assume pinched Sciatic nerve in left
hip/leg & knee. Pain is more intense when standing, less when sitting or
lying down. I sleep well. Certain exercise seams to help.
I could walk a lot more. Perform need household chorus, enjoy spending more
hours on my hobbies. Travel more.
John
I can not find a web site for Rough River State Park; it is one of many
Kentucky state parks. The following is a copy of the listing on their state
park map.
Rough River Dam State Resort Park
450 Lodge Road
Falls of Rough, KY 40119
270-257-2311 Fax: 270-257-8682
Open year round. 3,2oo ft. paved, lighted airstrip, fuel. 40 room lodge & 15
2-BR cottages w/AC, meeting and dining rooms, gift shop, open all year.
Seasonal camping, 66 sites w/utilities, tent camping, service building,
Pool, beach, bathhouse, marina with open and covered slips, ramps, fishing,
pontoon & rowboats rental, mini-golf, 9 hole par 3 golf, cart & club rental,
tennis, hiking, shuffleboard, playground, picnicking, "Lady of the Lake"
cruise boat.
Jim
For the short time you have had your Rebel in the air you have put a lot of
hours on it. I guess it safe to assume that your 3" extended motor mount is
working out just fine. Not knowing what your Empty Wt. and CG turned out to
be? My question is; if I am able to install a Rotax would you recommend the
same set up if my Rebel is certified at 1,320 Lbs?
Charlie E. 802R
Hi All
This ones for all you guys who have been there done that.
I plan to certify my Rebel at 1,320 Lbs. I am told if I don't get carried
away with upholstery and fancy instrument panel that a 750 Lbs empty wt. is
doable. I understand the 100 HP Rotax installed, with exhaust, radiators and
typical accessories weights about 141 Lbs. less motor mount. The prop I am
considering is the new Sensenich composite ground adjustable which weighs 12
Lbs. The engine instruments would be the minimum required for the Rotax
engine. Flight instruments just basic VFR, a com radio and transponder. I
have already reduced the wing tanks to two bays per wing (15 Gal. each),
that by the way saved 4.1 Lbs. in aluminum tank cover material. I had hoped
to install the bungee type gear but with the die springs. I plan to add the
aft float fitting and the inner floor mostly for strength. Also I would like
to replace the Murphy tail wheel and spring with a small Scott 2000 and leaf
spring that I have. Last but not least would be the Ontario mods. #1, 2 &3.
How much weight difference they will add I don't know. With all that stuff,
do you think I could still hold the empty wt. at around 750 Lbs? Or is this
just wishful thinking? If not, about much would it weigh? I would appreciate
your thoughts and suggestions.
Charlie E. 802R
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hip/leg & knee. Pain is more intense when standing, less when sitting or
lying down. I sleep well. Certain exercise seams to help.
I could walk a lot more. Perform need household chorus, enjoy spending more
hours on my hobbies. Travel more.
John
I can not find a web site for Rough River State Park; it is one of many
Kentucky state parks. The following is a copy of the listing on their state
park map.
Rough River Dam State Resort Park
450 Lodge Road
Falls of Rough, KY 40119
270-257-2311 Fax: 270-257-8682
Open year round. 3,2oo ft. paved, lighted airstrip, fuel. 40 room lodge & 15
2-BR cottages w/AC, meeting and dining rooms, gift shop, open all year.
Seasonal camping, 66 sites w/utilities, tent camping, service building,
Pool, beach, bathhouse, marina with open and covered slips, ramps, fishing,
pontoon & rowboats rental, mini-golf, 9 hole par 3 golf, cart & club rental,
tennis, hiking, shuffleboard, playground, picnicking, "Lady of the Lake"
cruise boat.
Jim
For the short time you have had your Rebel in the air you have put a lot of
hours on it. I guess it safe to assume that your 3" extended motor mount is
working out just fine. Not knowing what your Empty Wt. and CG turned out to
be? My question is; if I am able to install a Rotax would you recommend the
same set up if my Rebel is certified at 1,320 Lbs?
Charlie E. 802R
Hi All
This ones for all you guys who have been there done that.
I plan to certify my Rebel at 1,320 Lbs. I am told if I don't get carried
away with upholstery and fancy instrument panel that a 750 Lbs empty wt. is
doable. I understand the 100 HP Rotax installed, with exhaust, radiators and
typical accessories weights about 141 Lbs. less motor mount. The prop I am
considering is the new Sensenich composite ground adjustable which weighs 12
Lbs. The engine instruments would be the minimum required for the Rotax
engine. Flight instruments just basic VFR, a com radio and transponder. I
have already reduced the wing tanks to two bays per wing (15 Gal. each),
that by the way saved 4.1 Lbs. in aluminum tank cover material. I had hoped
to install the bungee type gear but with the die springs. I plan to add the
aft float fitting and the inner floor mostly for strength. Also I would like
to replace the Murphy tail wheel and spring with a small Scott 2000 and leaf
spring that I have. Last but not least would be the Ontario mods. #1, 2 &3.
How much weight difference they will add I don't know. With all that stuff,
do you think I could still hold the empty wt. at around 750 Lbs? Or is this
just wishful thinking? If not, about much would it weigh? I would appreciate
your thoughts and suggestions.
Charlie E. 802R
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Charlie Eubanks
Empty weight
Hi All
Sorry about that, this was the message I was trying to send.
This ones for all you guys who have been there done that.
I plan to certify my Rebel at 1,320 Lbs. I am told if I don't get carried
away with upholstery and fancy instrument panel that a 750 Lbs empty wt. is
doable. I understand the 100 HP Rotax installed, with exhaust, radiators and
typical accessories weights about 141 Lbs. less motor mount. The prop I am
considering is the new Sensenich composite ground adjustable which weighs 12
Lbs. The engine instruments would be the minimum required for the Rotax
engine. Flight instruments just basic VFR, a com radio and transponder. I
have already reduced the wing tanks to two bays per wing (15 Gal. each),
that by the way saved 4.1 Lbs. in aluminum tank cover material. I had hoped
to install the bungee type gear but with the die springs. I plan to add the
aft float fitting and the inner floor mostly for strength. Also I would like
to replace the Murphy tail wheel and spring with a small Scott 2000 and leaf
spring that I have. Last but not least would be the Ontario mods. #1, 2 &3.
How much weight difference they will add I don't know. With all that stuff,
do you think I could still hold the empty wt. at around 750 Lbs? Or is this
just wishful thinking? If not, about much would it weigh? I would appreciate
your thoughts and suggestions.
Charlie E. 802R
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Sorry about that, this was the message I was trying to send.
This ones for all you guys who have been there done that.
I plan to certify my Rebel at 1,320 Lbs. I am told if I don't get carried
away with upholstery and fancy instrument panel that a 750 Lbs empty wt. is
doable. I understand the 100 HP Rotax installed, with exhaust, radiators and
typical accessories weights about 141 Lbs. less motor mount. The prop I am
considering is the new Sensenich composite ground adjustable which weighs 12
Lbs. The engine instruments would be the minimum required for the Rotax
engine. Flight instruments just basic VFR, a com radio and transponder. I
have already reduced the wing tanks to two bays per wing (15 Gal. each),
that by the way saved 4.1 Lbs. in aluminum tank cover material. I had hoped
to install the bungee type gear but with the die springs. I plan to add the
aft float fitting and the inner floor mostly for strength. Also I would like
to replace the Murphy tail wheel and spring with a small Scott 2000 and leaf
spring that I have. Last but not least would be the Ontario mods. #1, 2 &3.
How much weight difference they will add I don't know. With all that stuff,
do you think I could still hold the empty wt. at around 750 Lbs? Or is this
just wishful thinking? If not, about much would it weigh? I would appreciate
your thoughts and suggestions.
Charlie E. 802R
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Ralph Baker
empty weight
Robin once told me that MAM built a 912 rebel at 700 pounds by being absolutely focused on light weight during construction. I am sure that did not include any extras such as the Ontario mods.
Ralph Baker
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