[rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit

[robert]

Ted you are correct w.r.t. Who can do the maintenance ... Provided the aircraft is certified. The issue is getting that homebuilt cert to begin with. Sorry all about the blackberry trailers ... I'm on the road. Cheers, Bob 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:17:18
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit


Keep in mind that plenty of people purchase flying experimental planes after
a builder decides to sell. In the case of someone purchasing a partially
completed kit (whether it's 53% complete or 99% complete), the worst case it
would be no different than if someone purchased a completed, flying plane.
They would be able to do their maintenance per the EAA article Mike quoted
and have to have an A&P do the annual condition inspections.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
robert@montanasky.us
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit

Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
"homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech Advisor
myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a good
indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the 51
percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


Robert,
The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
from
this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
certifying?



On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting a "homebuit"
experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> From the EAA website...
->
-> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
->
-> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
apply
-> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
-> conduct yourself.
->
-> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states

-> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
operating
-> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> similar):
->
-> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance

-> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved

-> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
inspection
-> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
inspections
-> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
following
-> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."

-> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> person performing the inspection.
->
-> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
->
-> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
Condition
-> Inspection?
-> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
-> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
provided
-> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.

-> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase that

-> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
->
-> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition Inspection,
any
-> ideas where to find one?
-> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
aircraft
-> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
-> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor
is
-> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is getting
to
-> perform his condition inspection.
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> > Larry,
-> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about the
top
-> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
this
-> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where
is
-> > the
-> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
be
-> > able to
-> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> >
-> > -> Mike;
-> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some

-> > time
-> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
$100,000
-> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
consider
-> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Thanks,
-> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Larry
-> > Luckinbill
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Hi All,
-> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
saw
-> > it
-> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
Oshkosh,
-> > is there
-> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i

-> > travel
-> > all
-> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
aircraft.
-> > I
-> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at
the
-> > kit i
-> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
are
-> > things i
-> > -> saw that concern me.
-> > ->
-> > -> Best,
-> > -> Mike
-> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> > -> 920-376-0638
-> > ->
-> > ->
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[mdunlop1910]

Robert,
So the straight scoop is that i will have certification problems if i purchase a
kit more than 51% is that correct. So my statement would be true that a
project more than 51 % "by the book" would be worthless. I hear what is
being said about being creative with receipts but i'm also not a gabbler with
this much money The owner has the wings, tail and a the structure of the
fuse done. Wings fitted and door pannels started. He is tellling me that
engine,interior,finish,and panel will allow certification (I think he is full of
something). I have an EAA TA that I'm trying to hire to come out and look at
the project.


On 5/25/2008 10:28 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Ted you are correct w.r.t. Who can do the maintenance ... Provided the
aircraft is certified. The issue is getting that homebuilt cert to begin with.
Sorry all about the blackberry trailers ... I'm on the road. Cheers, Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:17:18
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
->
->
-> Keep in mind that plenty of people purchase flying experimental planes
after
-> a builder decides to sell. In the case of someone purchasing a partially
-> completed kit (whether it's 53% complete or 99% complete), the worst
case it
-> would be no different than if someone purchased a completed, flying plane.
-> They would be able to do their maintenance per the EAA article Mike
quoted
-> and have to have an A&P do the annual condition inspections.
->
-> Ted
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> robert@montanasky.us
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
-> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
-> "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
-> aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech
Advisor
-> myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a
good
-> indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the 51
-> percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
-> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
-> from
-> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
-> certifying?
->
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
a "homebuit"
-> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> From the EAA website...
-> ->
-> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
-> ->
-> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
-> apply
-> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance
you
-> -> conduct yourself.
-> ->
-> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
->
-> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
-> operating
-> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> -> similar):
-> ->
-> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
accordance
->
-> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
approved
->
-> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> inspection
-> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
-> inspections
-> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
-> following
-> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
->
-> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> person performing the inspection.
-> ->
-> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> ->
-> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> Condition
-> -> Inspection?
-> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an
FAA
-> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
-> provided
-> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
->
-> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase
that
->
-> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
Inspection,
-> any
-> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
-> aircraft
-> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who
are
-> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor
-> is
-> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
getting
-> to
-> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> > Larry,
-> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about
the
-> top
-> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
-> this
-> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
Where
-> is
-> -> > the
-> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
-> be
-> -> > able to
-> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> -> >
-> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
some
->
-> -> > time
-> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
-> $100,000
-> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> consider
-> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Thanks,
-> -> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Larry
-> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
-> saw
-> -> > it
-> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
-> Oshkosh,
-> -> > is there
-> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot
so i
->
-> -> > travel
-> -> > all
-> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
-> aircraft.
-> -> > I
-> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look
at
-> the
-> -> > kit i
-> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
-> are
-> -> > things i
-> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Best,
-> -> > -> Mike
-> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> > -> 920-376-0638
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
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[robert]

Yes ... perhaps my last post helps. Its all about getting that "data plate" in the air. Bob 612e

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-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:07:27
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit


Robert,
So the straight scoop is that i will have certification problems if i purchase a
kit more than 51% is that correct. So my statement would be true that a
project more than 51 % "by the book" would be worthless. I hear what is
being said about being creative with receipts but i'm also not a gabbler with
this much money The owner has the wings, tail and a the structure of the
fuse done. Wings fitted and door pannels started. He is tellling me that
engine,interior,finish,and panel will allow certification (I think he is full of
something). I have an EAA TA that I'm trying to hire to come out and look at
the project.


On 5/25/2008 10:28 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Ted you are correct w.r.t. Who can do the maintenance ... Provided the
aircraft is certified. The issue is getting that homebuilt cert to begin with.
Sorry all about the blackberry trailers ... I'm on the road. Cheers, Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:17:18
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
->
->
-> Keep in mind that plenty of people purchase flying experimental planes
after
-> a builder decides to sell. In the case of someone purchasing a partially
-> completed kit (whether it's 53% complete or 99% complete), the worst
case it
-> would be no different than if someone purchased a completed, flying plane.
-> They would be able to do their maintenance per the EAA article Mike
quoted
-> and have to have an A&P do the annual condition inspections.
->
-> Ted
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> robert@montanasky.us
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
-> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
-> "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
-> aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech
Advisor
-> myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a
good
-> indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the 51
-> percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
-> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
-> from
-> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
-> certifying?
->
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
a "homebuit"
-> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> From the EAA website...
-> ->
-> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
-> ->
-> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
-> apply
-> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance
you
-> -> conduct yourself.
-> ->
-> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
->
-> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
-> operating
-> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> -> similar):
-> ->
-> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
accordance
->
-> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
approved
->
-> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> inspection
-> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
-> inspections
-> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
-> following
-> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
->
-> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> person performing the inspection.
-> ->
-> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> ->
-> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> Condition
-> -> Inspection?
-> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an
FAA
-> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
-> provided
-> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
->
-> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase
that
->
-> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
Inspection,
-> any
-> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
-> aircraft
-> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who
are
-> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor
-> is
-> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
getting
-> to
-> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> > Larry,
-> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about
the
-> top
-> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
-> this
-> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
Where
-> is
-> -> > the
-> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
-> be
-> -> > able to
-> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> -> >
-> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
some
->
-> -> > time
-> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
-> $100,000
-> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> consider
-> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Thanks,
-> -> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Larry
-> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
-> saw
-> -> > it
-> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
-> Oshkosh,
-> -> > is there
-> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot
so i
->
-> -> > travel
-> -> > all
-> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
-> aircraft.
-> -> > I
-> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look
at
-> the
-> -> > kit i
-> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
-> are
-> -> > things i
-> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Best,
-> -> > -> Mike
-> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> > -> 920-376-0638
-> -> > ->
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[robert]

Be carefull about using the words "hire" and "EAA Tech Counselor" in the same sentence.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:07:27
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit


Robert,
So the straight scoop is that i will have certification problems if i purchase a
kit more than 51% is that correct. So my statement would be true that a
project more than 51 % "by the book" would be worthless. I hear what is
being said about being creative with receipts but i'm also not a gabbler with
this much money The owner has the wings, tail and a the structure of the
fuse done. Wings fitted and door pannels started. He is tellling me that
engine,interior,finish,and panel will allow certification (I think he is full of
something). I have an EAA TA that I'm trying to hire to come out and look at
the project.


On 5/25/2008 10:28 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Ted you are correct w.r.t. Who can do the maintenance ... Provided the
aircraft is certified. The issue is getting that homebuilt cert to begin with.
Sorry all about the blackberry trailers ... I'm on the road. Cheers, Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:17:18
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
->
->
-> Keep in mind that plenty of people purchase flying experimental planes
after
-> a builder decides to sell. In the case of someone purchasing a partially
-> completed kit (whether it's 53% complete or 99% complete), the worst
case it
-> would be no different than if someone purchased a completed, flying plane.
-> They would be able to do their maintenance per the EAA article Mike
quoted
-> and have to have an A&P do the annual condition inspections.
->
-> Ted
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> robert@montanasky.us
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
-> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
-> "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
-> aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech
Advisor
-> myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a
good
-> indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the 51
-> percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
-> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
-> from
-> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
-> certifying?
->
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
a "homebuit"
-> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> From the EAA website...
-> ->
-> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
-> ->
-> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
-> apply
-> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance
you
-> -> conduct yourself.
-> ->
-> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states
->
-> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
-> operating
-> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> -> similar):
-> ->
-> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
accordance
->
-> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
approved
->
-> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> inspection
-> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
-> inspections
-> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
-> following
-> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
->
-> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> person performing the inspection.
-> ->
-> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> ->
-> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> Condition
-> -> Inspection?
-> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an
FAA
-> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
-> provided
-> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.
->
-> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase
that
->
-> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
Inspection,
-> any
-> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
-> aircraft
-> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who
are
-> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor
-> is
-> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
getting
-> to
-> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> > Larry,
-> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about
the
-> top
-> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
-> this
-> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
Where
-> is
-> -> > the
-> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
-> be
-> -> > able to
-> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> -> >
-> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
some
->
-> -> > time
-> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
-> $100,000
-> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> consider
-> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Thanks,
-> -> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Larry
-> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
-> saw
-> -> > it
-> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
-> Oshkosh,
-> -> > is there
-> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot
so i
->
-> -> > travel
-> -> > all
-> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
-> aircraft.
-> -> > I
-> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look
at
-> the
-> -> > kit i
-> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
-> are
-> -> > things i
-> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Best,
-> -> > -> Mike
-> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> > -> 920-376-0638
-> -> > ->
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[mdunlop1910]

Why is hiring a guy for my behalf and who is also an TA an issue ??? is it the
same as the faa saying we are here to help

On 5/25/2008 11:23 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Be carefull about using the words "hire" and "EAA Tech Counselor" in the
same sentence.
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:07:27
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> So the straight scoop is that i will have certification problems if i purchase
a
-> kit more than 51% is that correct. So my statement would be true that a
-> project more than 51 % "by the book" would be worthless. I hear what is
-> being said about being creative with receipts but i'm also not a gabbler
with
-> this much money The owner has the wings, tail and a the structure of the
-> fuse done. Wings fitted and door pannels started. He is tellling me that
-> engine,interior,finish,and panel will allow certification (I think he is full of
-> something). I have an EAA TA that I'm trying to hire to come out and look
at
-> the project.
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 10:28 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Ted you are correct w.r.t. Who can do the maintenance ... Provided
the
-> aircraft is certified. The issue is getting that homebuilt cert to begin with.
-> Sorry all about the blackberry trailers ... I'm on the road. Cheers, Bob 612e
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:17:18
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> Keep in mind that plenty of people purchase flying experimental planes
-> after
-> -> a builder decides to sell. In the case of someone purchasing a partially
-> -> completed kit (whether it's 53% complete or 99% complete), the worst
-> case it
-> -> would be no different than if someone purchased a completed, flying
plane.
-> -> They would be able to do their maintenance per the EAA article Mike
-> quoted
-> -> and have to have an A&P do the annual condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> Ted
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> -> robert@montanasky.us
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> -> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
-> -> "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
-> -> aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech
-> Advisor
-> -> myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a
-> good
-> -> indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the
51
-> -> percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> -> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> Robert,
-> -> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and
tail
-> -> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
-> -> from
-> -> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
-> -> certifying?
-> ->
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> -> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
-> a "homebuit"
-> -> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> From the EAA website...
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform
myself?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
-> -> apply
-> -> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not
just
-> -> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually
by
-> -> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the
condition
-> -> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what
maintenance
-> you
-> -> -> conduct yourself.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically
states
-> ->
-> -> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
-> -> operating
-> -> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> -> -> similar):
-> -> ->
-> -> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> -> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
-> accordance
-> ->
-> -> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
-> approved
-> ->
-> -> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> -> inspection
-> -> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
-> -> inspections
-> -> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
-> -> following
-> -> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> -> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail
of
-> -> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe
operation."
-> ->
-> -> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the
name,
-> -> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> -> person performing the inspection.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> -> Condition
-> -> -> Inspection?
-> -> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic,
an
-> FAA
-> -> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
-> -> provided
-> -> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the
FAA.
-> ->
-> -> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the
purchase
-> that
-> ->
-> -> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
-> Inspection,
-> -> any
-> -> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
-> -> aircraft
-> -> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps
who
-> are
-> -> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical
Counselor
-> -> is
-> -> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in
the
-> -> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
-> getting
-> -> to
-> -> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> > Larry,
-> -> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what
about
-> the
-> -> top
-> -> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs
for
-> -> this
-> -> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
-> Where
-> -> is
-> -> -> > the
-> -> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
-> -> be
-> -> -> > able to
-> -> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around
that???
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-
builders:
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
-> some
-> ->
-> -> -> > time
-> -> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
-> -> $100,000
-> -> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> -> consider
-> -> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> -> > -

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-> -> Thanks,
-> -> -> > -

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-> -> Larry
-> -> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> -> > -

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near
complete.
-> -> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2
years. I
-> -> saw
-> -> -> > it
-> -> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
-> -> Oshkosh,
-> -> -> > is there
-> -> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate
pilot
-> so i
-> ->
-> -> -> > travel
-> -> -> > all
-> -> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a
completed
-> -> aircraft.
-> -> -> > I
-> -> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go
look
-> at
-> -> the
-> -> -> > kit i
-> -> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one.
There
-> -> are
-> -> -> > things i
-> -> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > -> Best,
-> -> -> > -> Mike
-> -> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> -> > -> 920-376-0638
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[robert]

Hahaha good one !! Not exactly .. but close. At least at this time, EAA is not in the aircraft certification business ... as is the FAA. And FAA inspectors (and DARs) get paid for what the do. EAA TAs are volenteer only, and are not suposed to hire out (or accept any form of compensation) relating to their TA services. If your TA is also an AP (many are) .. Then he can wear his (or her) AP hat and get paid. Not saying you can't or shouldn't pay him .... is so, you might not want to also say he's looking at the project wearing his TA hat.. Bob 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:54:01
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit


Why is hiring a guy for my behalf and who is also an TA an issue ??? is it the
same as the faa saying we are here to help

On 5/25/2008 11:23 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Be carefull about using the words "hire" and "EAA Tech Counselor" in the
same sentence.
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:07:27
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> So the straight scoop is that i will have certification problems if i purchase
a
-> kit more than 51% is that correct. So my statement would be true that a
-> project more than 51 % "by the book" would be worthless. I hear what is
-> being said about being creative with receipts but i'm also not a gabbler
with
-> this much money The owner has the wings, tail and a the structure of the
-> fuse done. Wings fitted and door pannels started. He is tellling me that
-> engine,interior,finish,and panel will allow certification (I think he is full of
-> something). I have an EAA TA that I'm trying to hire to come out and look
at
-> the project.
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 10:28 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Ted you are correct w.r.t. Who can do the maintenance ... Provided
the
-> aircraft is certified. The issue is getting that homebuilt cert to begin with.
-> Sorry all about the blackberry trailers ... I'm on the road. Cheers, Bob 612e
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:17:18
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> Keep in mind that plenty of people purchase flying experimental planes
-> after
-> -> a builder decides to sell. In the case of someone purchasing a partially
-> -> completed kit (whether it's 53% complete or 99% complete), the worst
-> case it
-> -> would be no different than if someone purchased a completed, flying
plane.
-> -> They would be able to do their maintenance per the EAA article Mike
-> quoted
-> -> and have to have an A&P do the annual condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> Ted
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> -> robert@montanasky.us
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> -> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
-> -> "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
-> -> aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech
-> Advisor
-> -> myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a
-> good
-> -> indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the
51
-> -> percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> -> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> Robert,
-> -> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and
tail
-> -> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
-> -> from
-> -> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
-> -> certifying?
-> ->
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> -> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
-> a "homebuit"
-> -> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> From the EAA website...
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform
myself?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
-> -> apply
-> -> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not
just
-> -> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually
by
-> -> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the
condition
-> -> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what
maintenance
-> you
-> -> -> conduct yourself.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically
states
-> ->
-> -> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
-> -> operating
-> -> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> -> -> similar):
-> -> ->
-> -> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> -> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
-> accordance
-> ->
-> -> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
-> approved
-> ->
-> -> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> -> inspection
-> -> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
-> -> inspections
-> -> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
-> -> following
-> -> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> -> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail
of
-> -> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe
operation."
-> ->
-> -> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the
name,
-> -> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> -> person performing the inspection.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> -> Condition
-> -> -> Inspection?
-> -> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic,
an
-> FAA
-> -> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
-> -> provided
-> -> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the
FAA.
-> ->
-> -> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the
purchase
-> that
-> ->
-> -> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
-> Inspection,
-> -> any
-> -> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
-> -> aircraft
-> -> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps
who
-> are
-> -> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical
Counselor
-> -> is
-> -> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in
the
-> -> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
-> getting
-> -> to
-> -> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> > Larry,
-> -> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what
about
-> the
-> -> top
-> -> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs
for
-> -> this
-> -> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
-> Where
-> -> is
-> -> -> > the
-> -> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
-> -> be
-> -> -> > able to
-> -> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around
that???
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-
builders:
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
-> some
-> ->
-> -> -> > time
-> -> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
-> -> $100,000
-> -> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> -> consider
-> -> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> -> > -

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-> -> Thanks,
-> -> -> > -

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-> -> Larry
-> -> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> -> > -

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near
complete.
-> -> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2
years. I
-> -> saw
-> -> -> > it
-> -> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
-> -> Oshkosh,
-> -> -> > is there
-> -> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate
pilot
-> so i
-> ->
-> -> -> > travel
-> -> -> > all
-> -> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a
completed
-> -> aircraft.
-> -> -> > I
-> -> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go
look
-> at
-> -> the
-> -> -> > kit i
-> -> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one.
There
-> -> are
-> -> -> > things i
-> -> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > -> Best,
-> -> -> > -> Mike
-> -> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> -> > -> 920-376-0638
-> -> -> > ->
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[robert]

To follow up .. Did you read my "I was wrong" ... You can cert an "almost done" kit built as amature homebuilt. Just list all "builders" on the paperwork. Cheers, Bob 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:54:01
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit


Why is hiring a guy for my behalf and who is also an TA an issue ??? is it the
same as the faa saying we are here to help

On 5/25/2008 11:23 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Be carefull about using the words "hire" and "EAA Tech Counselor" in the
same sentence.
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:07:27
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> So the straight scoop is that i will have certification problems if i purchase
a
-> kit more than 51% is that correct. So my statement would be true that a
-> project more than 51 % "by the book" would be worthless. I hear what is
-> being said about being creative with receipts but i'm also not a gabbler
with
-> this much money The owner has the wings, tail and a the structure of the
-> fuse done. Wings fitted and door pannels started. He is tellling me that
-> engine,interior,finish,and panel will allow certification (I think he is full of
-> something). I have an EAA TA that I'm trying to hire to come out and look
at
-> the project.
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 10:28 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Ted you are correct w.r.t. Who can do the maintenance ... Provided
the
-> aircraft is certified. The issue is getting that homebuilt cert to begin with.
-> Sorry all about the blackberry trailers ... I'm on the road. Cheers, Bob 612e
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:17:18
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> Keep in mind that plenty of people purchase flying experimental planes
-> after
-> -> a builder decides to sell. In the case of someone purchasing a partially
-> -> completed kit (whether it's 53% complete or 99% complete), the worst
-> case it
-> -> would be no different than if someone purchased a completed, flying
plane.
-> -> They would be able to do their maintenance per the EAA article Mike
-> quoted
-> -> and have to have an A&P do the annual condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> Ted
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> -> robert@montanasky.us
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> -> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
-> -> "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
-> -> aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech
-> Advisor
-> -> myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a
-> good
-> -> indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the
51
-> -> percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> -> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> Robert,
-> -> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and
tail
-> -> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
-> -> from
-> -> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
-> -> certifying?
-> ->
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> -> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
-> a "homebuit"
-> -> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> From the EAA website...
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform
myself?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
-> -> apply
-> -> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not
just
-> -> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually
by
-> -> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the
condition
-> -> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what
maintenance
-> you
-> -> -> conduct yourself.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically
states
-> ->
-> -> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
-> -> operating
-> -> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> -> -> similar):
-> -> ->
-> -> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> -> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
-> accordance
-> ->
-> -> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
-> approved
-> ->
-> -> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> -> inspection
-> -> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
-> -> inspections
-> -> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
-> -> following
-> -> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> -> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail
of
-> -> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe
operation."
-> ->
-> -> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the
name,
-> -> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> -> person performing the inspection.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> -> Condition
-> -> -> Inspection?
-> -> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic,
an
-> FAA
-> -> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
-> -> provided
-> -> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the
FAA.
-> ->
-> -> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the
purchase
-> that
-> ->
-> -> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
-> Inspection,
-> -> any
-> -> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
-> -> aircraft
-> -> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps
who
-> are
-> -> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical
Counselor
-> -> is
-> -> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in
the
-> -> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
-> getting
-> -> to
-> -> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> > Larry,
-> -> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what
about
-> the
-> -> top
-> -> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs
for
-> -> this
-> -> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
-> Where
-> -> is
-> -> -> > the
-> -> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
-> -> be
-> -> -> > able to
-> -> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around
that???
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-
builders:
-> -> -> >
-> -> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
-> some
-> ->
-> -> -> > time
-> -> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
-> -> $100,000
-> -> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> -> consider
-> -> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> -> > -

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-> -> Thanks,
-> -> -> > -

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-> -> Larry
-> -> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> -> > -

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near
complete.
-> -> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2
years. I
-> -> saw
-> -> -> > it
-> -> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
-> -> Oshkosh,
-> -> -> > is there
-> -> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate
pilot
-> so i
-> ->
-> -> -> > travel
-> -> -> > all
-> -> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a
completed
-> -> aircraft.
-> -> -> > I
-> -> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go
look
-> at
-> -> the
-> -> -> > kit i
-> -> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one.
There
-> -> are
-> -> -> > things i
-> -> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> -> > ->
-> -> -> > -> Best,
-> -> -> > -> Mike
-> -> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> -> > -> 920-376-0638
-> -> -> > ->
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[Mike Kimball]

Having seen what is already complete on fast build kits I wouldn't be so
quick to conclude that what you have left to do would not meet the 51% rule.
The unfortunate thing is that it varies widely from one FAA inspector to the
next. The determination of how much you completed is pretty subjective.
One guy might say 40% and another guy might say 60%. The FAA guys are far
from even handed across the board. When I talked to local builders and IAs
in my area about my final inspection I heard a lot of "thank goodness you
got so and so instead of that other guy" for my inspection.

If you are interested in this particular project, and the repairman's
certificate is something you want, talk to the local FSDO and see if you
have a shot at 51%. If you don't care about being able to do the annual
yourself and you like the project, go for it. You can still do all the
maintenance you want. Just have to find an A&P to do the annual. Get the
right paperwork together with all the builder's names, including yours, and
you will get it certified unless the workmanship is truly unairworthy.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit

Robert,
So the straight scoop is that i will have certification problems if i
purchase a
kit more than 51% is that correct. So my statement would be true that a
project more than 51 % "by the book" would be worthless. I hear what is
being said about being creative with receipts but i'm also not a gabbler
with
this much money The owner has the wings, tail and a the structure of the
fuse done. Wings fitted and door pannels started. He is tellling me that
engine,interior,finish,and panel will allow certification (I think he is
full of
something). I have an EAA TA that I'm trying to hire to come out and look at

the project.


On 5/25/2008 10:28 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Ted you are correct w.r.t. Who can do the maintenance ... Provided the
aircraft is certified. The issue is getting that homebuilt cert to begin
with.
Sorry all about the blackberry trailers ... I'm on the road. Cheers, Bob
612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:17:18
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] Purchasing a partially built kit
->
->
-> Keep in mind that plenty of people purchase flying experimental planes
after
-> a builder decides to sell. In the case of someone purchasing a partially
-> completed kit (whether it's 53% complete or 99% complete), the worst
case it
-> would be no different than if someone purchased a completed, flying
plane.
-> They would be able to do their maintenance per the EAA article Mike
quoted
-> and have to have an A&P do the annual condition inspections.
->
-> Ted
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> robert@montanasky.us
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
-> Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
-> "homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
-> aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech
Advisor
-> myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a
good
-> indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the
51
-> percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
-> To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> Robert,
-> The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
-> were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
-> from
-> this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem

-> certifying?
->
->
->
-> On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
-> completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting
a "homebuit"
-> experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> -> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
-> ->
-> -> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> -> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> From the EAA website...
-> ->
-> -> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> -> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
-> ->
-> -> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
-> apply
-> -> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just

-> -> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by

-> -> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the
condition
-> -> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance
you
-> -> conduct yourself.
-> ->
-> -> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> -> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> -> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically
states
->
-> -> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
-> operating
-> -> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something

-> -> similar):
-> ->
-> -> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12

-> -> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in
accordance
->
-> -> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-
approved
->
-> -> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
-> inspection
-> -> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
-> inspections
-> -> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
-> following
-> -> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has
been
-> -> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> -> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe
operation."
->
-> -> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the
name,
-> -> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> -> person performing the inspection.
-> ->
-> -> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> -> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
-> ->
-> -> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
-> Condition
-> -> Inspection?
-> -> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an
FAA
-> -> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
-> provided
-> -> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the
FAA.
->
-> -> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> -> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> -> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase
that
->
-> -> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
-> ->
-> -> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition
Inspection,
-> any
-> -> ideas where to find one?
-> -> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
-> aircraft
-> -> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who
are
-> -> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical
Counselor
-> is
-> -> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in
the
-> -> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is
getting
-> to
-> -> perform his condition inspection.
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> ----- Original Message -----
-> -> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> -> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> -> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> -> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> > Larry,
-> -> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about
the
-> top
-> -> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
-> this
-> -> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??
Where
-> is
-> -> > the
-> -> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will
not
-> be
-> -> > able to
-> -> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> >
-> -> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> -> >
-> -> > -> Mike;
-> -> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up
some
->
-> -> > time
-> -> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
-> $100,000
-> -> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> -> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
-> consider
-> -> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Thanks,
-> -> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> Larry
-> -> > Luckinbill
-> -> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> -> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Hi All,
-> -> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near
complete.
-> -> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years.
I
-> saw
-> -> > it
-> -> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
-> Oshkosh,
-> -> > is there
-> -> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot
so i
->
-> -> > travel
-> -> > all
-> -> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
-> aircraft.
-> -> > I
-> -> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look
at
-> the
-> -> > kit i
-> -> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one.
There
-> are
-> -> > things i
-> -> > -> saw that concern me.
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> Best,
-> -> > -> Mike
-> -> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> -> > -> 920-376-0638
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