Purchasing a partially built kit

[Ted Waltman]

Keep in mind that plenty of people purchase flying experimental planes after
a builder decides to sell. In the case of someone purchasing a partially
completed kit (whether it's 53% complete or 99% complete), the worst case it
would be no different than if someone purchased a completed, flying plane.
They would be able to do their maintenance per the EAA article Mike quoted
and have to have an A&P do the annual condition inspections.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
robert@montanasky.us
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:10 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit

Sorry ... Don't want to be the bearer of bad news ... But.. You run into
"homebuilt" category cert issues any time more then 51 percent of the
aircraft is completed ... By someone other then YOU.. As a EAA Tech Advisor
myself, I can assure you one or more TA logged visits, although being a good
indicator on the quality of construction to date, has no bearing on the 51
percent cert requirement. Bob 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com

Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:58:09
To:rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit


Robert,
The airplane was inspected by an EAA inspector before the wings and tail
were closed up. Will this help the cause or am i better off staying away
from
this one. At What point in the build can i step in an it not be a problem
certifying?



On 5/25/2008 9:37 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Might want to add there are other issues with buying an "amost
completed", never been certified, homebuit. Good luck getting a "homebuit"
experimental certification from the FAA (FSDO or DAR).
-> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
->
-> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:08:28
-> To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> From the EAA website...
->
-> Non-builder Maintenance Frequently Asked Questions
-> I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
->
-> FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not
apply
-> to experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
-> maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
-> anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
-> inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
-> conduct yourself.
->
-> What is a Condition Inspection?
-> A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
-> certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 91.409(c)(1) specifically states

-> that experimental aircraft do not require annual inspections, the
operating
-> limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
-> similar):
->
-> No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
-> calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance

-> with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved

-> programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This
inspection
-> will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition
inspections
-> shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the
following
-> or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
-> inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
-> appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."

-> The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
-> signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
-> person performing the inspection.
->
-> See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
-> condition inspections under the Operating section of this web.
->
-> Since I don't have a Repairman Certificate, who must perform the
Condition
-> Inspection?
-> The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
-> Approved Repair Station, or by the original builder of the airplane
provided
-> the builder has a "Repairman Certificate" for that aircraft from the FAA.

-> Note that unlike an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P
-> mechanic does NOT have to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
-> Sometimes, if you are lucky, you can include as part of the purchase that

-> the builder will continue to perform the condition inspections.
->
-> I am having trouble finding an A&P to perform my Condition Inspection,
any
-> ideas where to find one?
-> The best place to find a local A&P willing to work on homebuilt
aircraft
-> is through your local EAA Chapter. Many EAA Chapters have A&Ps who are
-> chapter members and will help you out. Usually, the Technical Counselor
is
-> the best person to ask. If that doesn't work, see if someone else in the
-> chapter owns a homebuilt he did not build and find out who he is getting
to
-> perform his condition inspection.
->
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <mdunlop1910@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:30 AM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
->
->
-> > Larry,
-> > looks like a nice airplane. The bottom end was done but what about the
top
-> > end of the motor,mags ect. do you have the complete engine logs for
this
-> > engine. Do you have more pics you could send and who built it??Where
is
-> > the
-> > airplane hangared? Am i correct that not being the builder i will not
be
-> > able to
-> > do all the maintenance on the plane. Is there any way around that???
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > On 5/25/2008 7:41 AM, skytrucks@aol.com wrote to rebel-builders:
-> >
-> > -> Mike;
-> > -> ?????????? I have a flying SR that I bought so I could build up some

-> > time
-> > in a Murphy while I finished up building my Moose. I have about
$100,000
-> > invested in this Super Rebel. You can see it on my website:
-> > www.tiptopwebsite/skytrucks. If anyone else is interested I would
consider
-> > trading down to a flying Lycoming powered?Rebel.
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Thanks,
-> > -> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Larry
-> > Luckinbill
-> > -> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
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-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: mdunlop1910@dcsol.com
-> > -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > -> Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 9:14 am
-> > -> Subject: [rebel-builders] looking for SR kit
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Hi All,
-> > -> I am looking to purchase a SR kit that is started or near complete.
-> > -> I have only found one on the market. Been for sale for 2 years. I
saw
-> > it
-> > -> yesterday. I dont think it is what im looking for. I live in
Oshkosh,
-> > is there
-> > -> anyone in the area that has one completed. im a corporate pilot so i

-> > travel
-> > all
-> > -> over so maybe i could connect with someone to see a completed
aircraft.
-> > I
-> > -> am also looking for someone who has built a SR who could go look at
the
-> > kit i
-> > -> saw yesterday in our area. I really need advise on this one. There
are
-> > things i
-> > -> saw that concern me.
-> > ->
-> > -> Best,
-> > -> Mike
-> > -> mtdunlop@sbcglobal.net
-> > -> 920-376-0638
-> > ->
-> > ->
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