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[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

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Drew Dalgleish

[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

At 11:32 AM 10/17/2007 -0700, you wrote:
Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much
of a con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY
more fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot
com.
Keith
Hi Keith Have you considered only hooking up one tank? 22 Gallons is lots
of fuel for a rotax and you'll save some pulmbing and have no worries about
what your fuel return is doing.
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[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Post by Ken » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
At 11:32 AM 10/17/2007 -0700, you wrote:

Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much

of a con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY
more fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?

How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot

com.

Keith


Hi Keith Have you considered only hooking up one tank? 22 Gallons is lots
of fuel for a rotax and you'll save some pulmbing and have no worries about
what your fuel return is doing.
Drew


Reminds me of the guy that switched to a gas furnace, removed the oil
tank from his basement, but forgot to tell the oil company...
Ken
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Drew Dalgleish

[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

At 08:02 PM 10/18/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
At 11:32 AM 10/17/2007 -0700, you wrote:

Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much

of a con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY
more fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?

How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot

com.

Keith


Hi Keith Have you considered only hooking up one tank? 22 Gallons is lots
of fuel for a rotax and you'll save some pulmbing and have no worries about
what your fuel return is doing.
Drew


Reminds me of the guy that switched to a gas furnace, removed the oil
tank from his basement, but forgot to tell the oil company...
Ken
sorry - couldn't resist ;(
Good point Ken But removing the filler neck or somehow blanking it off
wouldn't be a big deal if he decided to go that route.
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Keith Leitch

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Post by Keith Leitch » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Drew,

I had thought of just using one side while flying it but I think I will still hook up the plumbing for it "just in case" I need it. I figured I would just use the right side while flying solo.

Thanks,
Keith

Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca> wrote:
At 11:32 AM 10/17/2007 -0700, you wrote:
Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much
of a con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY
more fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot
com.
Keith
Hi Keith Have you considered only hooking up one tank? 22 Gallons is lots
of fuel for a rotax and you'll save some pulmbing and have no worries about
what your fuel return is doing.
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Jim Cole

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Post by Jim Cole » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Hi Keith, I haven't had any experience with a Lycoming but I do have about
200 hours behind a 912 in both a SportStar and now the Rebel.
I did have a 65 HP Continental in my Chief and a 150 HP Continental in my
old 172.
In any case the Rotax is very quite and smooth as far as I'm concerned. The
load that I carried on the Ramble was quite substantial and yes every once
in a while a few more horses might have been nice, but really for the cost
savings on fuel etc I'm quite pleased. I think eventually I will want a
variable pitch prop when I put it on floats but for now I just stuck with
the old saying - "just get it flying!" I flew with variable pitch props on
the SportStar and it really helped to get the cruise speed up.
I know I carried lots of extra fuel on the trip but I might try the idea of
working off of one tank. I will have to experiment, maybe with the idea of
just leaving a few gallons in reserve on the other tank.
I have noticed that when I have a light fuel load and flying by myself - it
becomes a Jack Rabbit!

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333


On 10/17/2007 2:32 PM, "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much of a
con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY more
fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot
com.

Keith

Jim Cole <jcole@rangroup.com> wrote:
Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the 912ULS installed.
I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also have the 44 gal
tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three bays I would use
only two.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:
Have you considered an IO-240?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch"
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders"
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with
fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the
Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may
be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying
every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on
putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and
have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried
about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the
Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here. I have a
7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an Aeromatic prop
on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone ever thought
about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still have to build
with the O 320.

Thank you,
Keith R661


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Keith Leitch

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Post by Keith Leitch » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Jim,

Sounds great!! Kind of what I am looking for as far as performance. I will be going on amphibs if I can. I already have the Murphy 1800 Amphibs sitting in my hangar, but will need to get the 1500 if I go with the Rotax. It is looking better all the time. I should have flown up and met you guys when you came through Theif River Falls,MN. I have yet to even ride in a Rebel. One of these days maybe I can find someone within a few hundred miles that'll give me one.
Where are you located?

Keith

Jim Cole <jcole@rangroup.com> wrote:
Hi Keith, I haven't had any experience with a Lycoming but I do have about
200 hours behind a 912 in both a SportStar and now the Rebel.
I did have a 65 HP Continental in my Chief and a 150 HP Continental in my
old 172.
In any case the Rotax is very quite and smooth as far as I'm concerned. The
load that I carried on the Ramble was quite substantial and yes every once
in a while a few more horses might have been nice, but really for the cost
savings on fuel etc I'm quite pleased. I think eventually I will want a
variable pitch prop when I put it on floats but for now I just stuck with
the old saying - "just get it flying!" I flew with variable pitch props on
the SportStar and it really helped to get the cruise speed up.
I know I carried lots of extra fuel on the trip but I might try the idea of
working off of one tank. I will have to experiment, maybe with the idea of
just leaving a few gallons in reserve on the other tank.
I have noticed that when I have a light fuel load and flying by myself - it
becomes a Jack Rabbit!

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333


On 10/17/2007 2:32 PM, "Keith Leitch" wrote:
Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much of a
con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY more
fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot
com.

Keith

Jim Cole wrote:
Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the 912ULS installed.
I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also have the 44 gal
tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three bays I would use
only two.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:
Have you considered an IO-240?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch"
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders"
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Well guys, I'm still about 50 years from completeing my Rebel and with
fuel prices going through the roof I have been relooking at installing the
Rotax in my Rebel "when" I get to that point. The problem I feel is a may
be a little on the heavy side to use this engine. I have been spraying
every piece, prior to assembly, with 2-part epoxy primer as I plan on
putting it on floats. I also built the wings with the 44 gallon tanks, and
have plans to install Angus's cuffed leading edge. I wasn't as worried
about the weight as I originally was installing an O-320. BUt now I am
wondering if I will end up with a very heavy Rebel to be powered by the
Rotax.

What is the average completed empty weight of a Rebel with the Rotax?

Also, I have another question for the airplane gurus on here. I have a
7AC Champ with an 0-235 in it and am thinking of putting an Aeromatic prop
on it. Has anyone used one of these props? Also, has anyone ever thought
about useing one on a Rebel? Just asking because I may still have to build
with the O 320.

Thank you,
Keith R661


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Post by Garry Wright » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Keith,

The floats on FOKM were originally 1500's and Wayne O'Shea stretched
them by adding a compartment in just ahead of the step section. It was
highly effective leading to floats that are essentially
indistinguishable from the 1800's except that they have access for a
storage compartment. If you have 1800's and want 1500's, one option
would be to take that compartment out and make the other adjustments
that are appropriate on the struts. Just food for thought.

Garry
068R

Keith Leitch wrote:
Jim,

Sounds great!! Kind of what I am looking for as far as performance. I will be going on amphibs if I can. I already have the Murphy 1800 Amphibs sitting in my hangar, but will need to get the 1500 if I go with the Rotax. It is looking better all the time. I should have flown up and met you guys when you came through Theif River Falls,MN. I have yet to even ride in a Rebel. One of these days maybe I can find someone within a few hundred miles that'll give me one.
Where are you located?

Keith

Jim Cole <jcole@rangroup.com> wrote:
Hi Keith, I haven't had any experience with a Lycoming but I do have about
200 hours behind a 912 in both a SportStar and now the Rebel.
I did have a 65 HP Continental in my Chief and a 150 HP Continental in my
old 172.
In any case the Rotax is very quite and smooth as far as I'm concerned. The
load that I carried on the Ramble was quite substantial and yes every once
in a while a few more horses might have been nice, but really for the cost
savings on fuel etc I'm quite pleased. I think eventually I will want a
variable pitch prop when I put it on floats but for now I just stuck with
the old saying - "just get it flying!" I flew with variable pitch props on
the SportStar and it really helped to get the cruise speed up.
I know I carried lots of extra fuel on the trip but I might try the idea of
working off of one tank. I will have to experiment, maybe with the idea of
just leaving a few gallons in reserve on the other tank.
I have noticed that when I have a light fuel load and flying by myself - it
becomes a Jack Rabbit!

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333


On 10/17/2007 2:32 PM, "Keith Leitch" wrote:
Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much of a
con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY more
fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot
com.

Keith

Jim Cole wrote:
Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the 912ULS installed.
I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also have the 44 gal
tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three bays I would use
only two.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:
Have you considered an IO-240?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Murphy Rebel Builders"
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM
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Jim Cole

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Post by Jim Cole » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

I'm just north of Toronto - hang out with the group from Brampton which has
been invaluable during the build process - and now the real fun part - the
flying.

Cheers
Jim


On 10/19/2007 4:07 PM, "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jim,

Sounds great!! Kind of what I am looking for as far as performance. I will
be going on amphibs if I can. I already have the Murphy 1800 Amphibs sitting
in my hangar, but will need to get the 1500 if I go with the Rotax. It is
looking better all the time. I should have flown up and met you guys when you
came through Theif River Falls,MN. I have yet to even ride in a Rebel. One of
these days maybe I can find someone within a few hundred miles that'll give me
one.
Where are you located?

Keith

Jim Cole <jcole@rangroup.com> wrote:
Hi Keith, I haven't had any experience with a Lycoming but I do have about
200 hours behind a 912 in both a SportStar and now the Rebel.
I did have a 65 HP Continental in my Chief and a 150 HP Continental in my
old 172.
In any case the Rotax is very quite and smooth as far as I'm concerned. The
load that I carried on the Ramble was quite substantial and yes every once
in a while a few more horses might have been nice, but really for the cost
savings on fuel etc I'm quite pleased. I think eventually I will want a
variable pitch prop when I put it on floats but for now I just stuck with
the old saying - "just get it flying!" I flew with variable pitch props on
the SportStar and it really helped to get the cruise speed up.
I know I carried lots of extra fuel on the trip but I might try the idea of
working off of one tank. I will have to experiment, maybe with the idea of
just leaving a few gallons in reserve on the other tank.
I have noticed that when I have a light fuel load and flying by myself - it
becomes a Jack Rabbit!

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333


On 10/17/2007 2:32 PM, "Keith Leitch" wrote:
Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much of a
con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY more
fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot
com.

Keith

Jim Cole wrote:
Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the 912ULS installed.
I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also have the 44 gal
tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three bays I would use
only two.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:
Have you considered an IO-240?

Mike

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To: "Murphy Rebel Builders"
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Post by Keith Leitch » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Gary,

That sure is something I hadn't even thought of. I guess I'll cross that hurdle when I come to it. My progress on building has been extremely slow. My wife is active duty army and we are moving constantly and while I have gotten some assemblies done....I have decided to put the construction on hold until she retires and we are moved back home permanantly. It has just gotten to be to much PITA to keep setting up a work station and then tearing it down everytime we move or get shipped overseas. She has been in 21 years so will be retiring any time now. I hope! LOL

Thanks for the idea,
Keith

Garry Wright <wrightdg@davincibb.net> wrote:
Keith,

The floats on FOKM were originally 1500's and Wayne O'Shea stretched
them by adding a compartment in just ahead of the step section. It was
highly effective leading to floats that are essentially
indistinguishable from the 1800's except that they have access for a
storage compartment. If you have 1800's and want 1500's, one option
would be to take that compartment out and make the other adjustments
that are appropriate on the struts. Just food for thought.

Garry
068R

Keith Leitch wrote:
Jim,

Sounds great!! Kind of what I am looking for as far as performance. I will be going on amphibs if I can. I already have the Murphy 1800 Amphibs sitting in my hangar, but will need to get the 1500 if I go with the Rotax. It is looking better all the time. I should have flown up and met you guys when you came through Theif River Falls,MN. I have yet to even ride in a Rebel. One of these days maybe I can find someone within a few hundred miles that'll give me one.
Where are you located?

Keith

Jim Cole wrote:
Hi Keith, I haven't had any experience with a Lycoming but I do have about
200 hours behind a 912 in both a SportStar and now the Rebel.
I did have a 65 HP Continental in my Chief and a 150 HP Continental in my
old 172.
In any case the Rotax is very quite and smooth as far as I'm concerned. The
load that I carried on the Ramble was quite substantial and yes every once
in a while a few more horses might have been nice, but really for the cost
savings on fuel etc I'm quite pleased. I think eventually I will want a
variable pitch prop when I put it on floats but for now I just stuck with
the old saying - "just get it flying!" I flew with variable pitch props on
the SportStar and it really helped to get the cruise speed up.
I know I carried lots of extra fuel on the trip but I might try the idea of
working off of one tank. I will have to experiment, maybe with the idea of
just leaving a few gallons in reserve on the other tank.
I have noticed that when I have a light fuel load and flying by myself - it
becomes a Jack Rabbit!

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333


On 10/17/2007 2:32 PM, "Keith Leitch" wrote:
Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much of a
con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be WAY more
fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot
com.

Keith

Jim Cole wrote:
Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the 912ULS installed.
I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also have the 44 gal
tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three bays I would use
only two.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:
Have you considered an IO-240?

Mike

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To: "Murphy Rebel Builders"
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM
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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Hi Keith !

If you'd caught us at Ashland, WI, you could have had a ride
in a real nice hot-rod Rebel ! Tim certainly enjoyed it .... ;-)

The 1800 amphibs are only about 23 lb. heavier than the
1500's ... If you already have them, it'd be worth trying !
There's certainly a good resale market for the 1800's ....
so you can sell them if they do turn out to be too heavy ---
but who knows, maybe the extra flotation might work out
great .... :-)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 19 October 2007 20:07, Keith Leitch wrote:
Jim,

Sounds great!! Kind of what I am looking for as far as performance. I
will be going on amphibs if I can. I already have the Murphy 1800 Amphibs
sitting in my hangar, but will need to get the 1500 if I go with the Rotax.
It is looking better all the time. I should have flown up and met you guys
when you came through Theif River Falls,MN. I have yet to even ride in a
Rebel. One of these days maybe I can find someone within a few hundred
miles that'll give me one. Where are you located?

Keith

Jim Cole <jcole@rangroup.com> wrote:
Hi Keith, I haven't had any experience with a Lycoming but I do have
about 200 hours behind a 912 in both a SportStar and now the Rebel.
I did have a 65 HP Continental in my Chief and a 150 HP Continental in my
old 172.
In any case the Rotax is very quite and smooth as far as I'm concerned. The
load that I carried on the Ramble was quite substantial and yes every once
in a while a few more horses might have been nice, but really for the cost
savings on fuel etc I'm quite pleased. I think eventually I will want a
variable pitch prop when I put it on floats but for now I just stuck with
the old saying - "just get it flying!" I flew with variable pitch props on
the SportStar and it really helped to get the cruise speed up.
I know I carried lots of extra fuel on the trip but I might try the idea of
working off of one tank. I will have to experiment, maybe with the idea of
just leaving a few gallons in reserve on the other tank.
I have noticed that when I have a light fuel load and flying by myself - it
becomes a Jack Rabbit!

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 2:32 PM, "Keith Leitch" wrote:
Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much
of a con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be
WAY more fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot
com.

Keith

Jim Cole wrote:
Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the 912ULS installed.
I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also have the 44
gal tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three bays I
would use only two.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:
Have you considered an IO-240?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch"
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders"
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax



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[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Post by Ken » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Pretty rare to hear anyone say they have too much flotation isn't it?
Have heard guys say that they wish they had more. On other airplanes
I've seen both ends of the float under water at times...
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi Keith !

If you'd caught us at Ashland, WI, you could have had a ride
in a real nice hot-rod Rebel ! Tim certainly enjoyed it .... ;-)

The 1800 amphibs are only about 23 lb. heavier than the
1500's ... If you already have them, it'd be worth trying !
There's certainly a good resale market for the 1800's ....
so you can sell them if they do turn out to be too heavy ---
but who knows, maybe the extra flotation might work out
great .... :-)





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Tim Hickey

[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Post by Tim Hickey » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Hello, Everyone.
I thought that I should jump in here just for a minute to let everyone know
that I still exist, and even though I have not been posting much at all, I
still read the list daily.

Bob is dead on. The ride I had in the Smith Rebel was super. I continue to
be grateful. I wanted to return the favor to Matt the next morning by giving
him a ride in my Zenith, but the early birds got up way before me and left
for home. I still want to get up to Brodhead in Wisconsin one time before
the cold weather sets in.

The Rebel project sits in the garage waiting for someone to come out and
work on it. I have been spending all summer: Building two decks for the
house: finishing the bathroom in the basement including the 4 foot x 6 foot
ceramic tile shower, build the walls, hanging doors, installing sheetrock,
priming, texturing, running plumbing for the wet bar, ordering cabinets for
the same, planning the end wall to house the big screen TV, and..etc.

I also lost my mother this year in April, and with my brother and I being
co-executors of her estate lots of time went into that. But we have finished
up 98% of what needs to be done there, and only have some small detail to
wrap up.

I hope to finish up this carpentry work so I can become an Rebel Constructor
( not the same as a boa constrictor) in the next month or two. Then I
suppose the questions will start to flow from this key board.

But in the near term, it is back to the house project. I have some suspended
ceiling to hang, and about 100 lineal feet of drywall to seam and finish,
and as they say, Yada, yada, yada.



Tim Hickey
R808



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Hi Keith !

If you'd caught us at Ashland, WI, you could have had a ride
in a real nice hot-rod Rebel ! Tim certainly enjoyed it .... ;-)

The 1800 amphibs are only about 23 lb. heavier than the
1500's ... If you already have them, it'd be worth trying !
There's certainly a good resale market for the 1800's ....
so you can sell them if they do turn out to be too heavy ---
but who knows, maybe the extra flotation might work out
great .... :-)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 19 October 2007 20:07, Keith Leitch wrote:
Jim,

Sounds great!! Kind of what I am looking for as far as performance. I
will be going on amphibs if I can. I already have the Murphy 1800 Amphibs
sitting in my hangar, but will need to get the 1500 if I go with the
Rotax.
It is looking better all the time. I should have flown up and met you
guys
when you came through Theif River Falls,MN. I have yet to even ride in a
Rebel. One of these days maybe I can find someone within a few hundred
miles that'll give me one. Where are you located?

Keith

Jim Cole <jcole@rangroup.com> wrote:
Hi Keith, I haven't had any experience with a Lycoming but I do have
about 200 hours behind a 912 in both a SportStar and now the Rebel.
I did have a 65 HP Continental in my Chief and a 150 HP Continental in my
old 172.
In any case the Rotax is very quite and smooth as far as I'm concerned.
The
load that I carried on the Ramble was quite substantial and yes every
once
in a while a few more horses might have been nice, but really for the
cost
savings on fuel etc I'm quite pleased. I think eventually I will want a
variable pitch prop when I put it on floats but for now I just stuck with
the old saying - "just get it flying!" I flew with variable pitch props
on
the SportStar and it really helped to get the cruise speed up.
I know I carried lots of extra fuel on the trip but I might try the idea
of
working off of one tank. I will have to experiment, maybe with the idea
of
just leaving a few gallons in reserve on the other tank.
I have noticed that when I have a light fuel load and flying by myself -
it
becomes a Jack Rabbit!

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 2:32 PM, "Keith Leitch" wrote:
Jim,

Unfortunately I have already done the 3-bays fuel tank. Is it that much
of a con to using the 44 gallon wings. I understand that there would be
WAY more fuel than a guy needs but other than that is there much
problem?
How do you like the performance with the Rotax?
If you want to mail my home email that is ok im_planecrazy at yahoo dot
com.

Keith

Jim Cole wrote:
Hi Keith, my Rebel came in at 821 empty weight with the 912ULS
installed.
I used the Fife wing tips but do not have the cuffs. I also have the 44
gal tanks and if I was doing it over again I wouldn't go three bays I
would use only two.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

On 10/17/2007 12:58 PM, "Mike Davis" wrote:



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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Hi Tim !

Good to hear from you ! Sounds like you are really busy !!

Get that house done - when you start in on the Rebel, it'll
seem darn near relaxing !! ;-) :-)

--
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http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 22 October 2007 00:22, Tim Hickey wrote:
Hello, Everyone.
I thought that I should jump in here just for a minute to let everyone know
that I still exist, and even though I have not been posting much at all, I
still read the list daily.

Bob is dead on. The ride I had in the Smith Rebel was super. I continue to
be grateful. I wanted to return the favor to Matt the next morning by
giving him a ride in my Zenith, but the early birds got up way before me
and left for home. I still want to get up to Brodhead in Wisconsin one
time before the cold weather sets in.

The Rebel project sits in the garage waiting for someone to come out and
work on it. I have been spending all summer: Building two decks for the
house: finishing the bathroom in the basement including the 4 foot x 6 foot
ceramic tile shower, build the walls, hanging doors, installing sheetrock,
priming, texturing, running plumbing for the wet bar, ordering cabinets for
the same, planning the end wall to house the big screen TV, and..etc.

I also lost my mother this year in April, and with my brother and I being
co-executors of her estate lots of time went into that. But we have
finished up 98% of what needs to be done there, and only have some small
detail to wrap up.

I hope to finish up this carpentry work so I can become an Rebel
Constructor ( not the same as a boa constrictor) in the next month or two.
Then I suppose the questions will start to flow from this key board.

But in the near term, it is back to the house project. I have some
suspended ceiling to hang, and about 100 lineal feet of drywall to seam and
finish, and as they say, Yada, yada, yada.



Tim Hickey
R808



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel empty weight with Rotax
Hi Keith !

If you'd caught us at Ashland, WI, you could have had a ride
in a real nice hot-rod Rebel ! Tim certainly enjoyed it .... ;-)

The 1800 amphibs are only about 23 lb. heavier than the
1500's ... If you already have them, it'd be worth trying !
There's certainly a good resale market for the 1800's ....
so you can sell them if they do turn out to be too heavy ---
but who knows, maybe the extra flotation might work out
great .... :-)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com



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