[rebel-builders] Door Windows

steve whitenect · Post by **steve whitenect** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Gary
I used an exhaust system from aircraft technologies which have cross over
pipes into two mufflers and also two heat muffs. Around $1100 us and very
quiet. With the ANR head sets, it's very, very quiet.

Steve W. 637R

From: Garry Wright <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:53:25 -0600

Thanks Richard, Drew and Eddie. I will look at what GE offers and go
from there. Noise is definitely a concern.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
I think so but can't cite any proof other than it seems to be a popular
option for spam cans.

At 07:56 PM 5/31/2007 -0600, you wrote:
Drew,

Does quieter actually follow thicker? I am looking at ways to lower the
racket other than active headsets which do a commendable job by the
way.
Has anyone actually verified this?

There is an article in Kitplanes this month on a foam material
'polyvinyl nitride' which does a good job and complies with FAA
requirements on fire resistance. Does anyone know of a source in
Canada?
My originals are only 1/16" thick and barely manage to hold snapvents
sort of.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
little
little
simply
the
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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Garry's bird has dual mufflers on it. Not a roaring headache like the HP
exhaust....or should I say Straight pipes?

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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows

Gary
I used an exhaust system from aircraft technologies which have cross over
pipes into two mufflers and also two heat muffs. Around $1100 us and very
quiet. With the ANR head sets, it's very, very quiet.

Steve W. 637R

From: Garry Wright <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:53:25 -0600

Thanks Richard, Drew and Eddie. I will look at what GE offers and go
from there. Noise is definitely a concern.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
I think so but can't cite any proof other than it seems to be a popular
option for spam cans.

At 07:56 PM 5/31/2007 -0600, you wrote:
way.
Canada?
little
little
simply
the
Drew

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

I should add I forgot just how Friggin loud the straight pipes are...but was
rudely reminded while check riding the new owner of CYP a couple weeks back.
Can't wait to jump in mine in the next few days and listen to it purr away
thru them double mufflers.

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From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows

Garry's bird has dual mufflers on it. Not a roaring headache like the HP
exhaust....or should I say Straight pipes?

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve whitenect" <srwhitenect@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows

Gary
I used an exhaust system from aircraft technologies which have cross over
pipes into two mufflers and also two heat muffs. Around $1100 us and very
quiet. With the ANR head sets, it's very, very quiet.

Steve W. 637R

From: Garry Wright <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
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To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:53:25 -0600

Thanks Richard, Drew and Eddie. I will look at what GE offers and go
from there. Noise is definitely a concern.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote: way. Canada? little little simply the
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Garry Wright · Post by **Garry Wright** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

They may be double but 'purring' is not the descriptive I would apply.
It is not really all that bad but certainly a lot noisier than
production stuff. My ears are getting older too so I'm sure that is not
helping a lot.

Garry

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

I should add I forgot just how Friggin loud the straight pipes are...but was
rudely reminded while check riding the new owner of CYP a couple weeks back.
Can't wait to jump in mine in the next few days and listen to it purr away
thru them double mufflers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows

Garry's bird has dual mufflers on it. Not a roaring headache like the HP
exhaust....or should I say Straight pipes?

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve whitenect" <srwhitenect@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows

Gary
I used an exhaust system from aircraft technologies which have cross over
pipes into two mufflers and also two heat muffs. Around $1100 us and very
quiet. With the ANR head sets, it's very, very quiet.

Steve W. 637R

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Garry Wright · Post by **Garry Wright** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Thanks Ron. It will be done. Both sides and hopefully prior to the ramble.

Garry

Ron Shannon wrote:

In the booklet "How to Soundproof Light Aircraft" available from
http://www.soundproofing.org (also via ACS) they are very clear that one
of the the best things you can do to reduce noise is use thicker window
material.

Garry Wright wrote:
...
Does quieter actually follow thicker? I am looking at ways to lower the
racket other than active headsets which do a commendable job by the way.
Has anyone actually verified this?

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Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

FWIW I just went down to Home Depot/ Rona/ local lumber store and bought
acrylic about 0.080" thick. They all had numerous sizes precut. I did
not want Lexan even though I had it and it was available in all the same
stores. Acrylic is much easier to crack but much more resistant to
crazing from chemicals and fuel IMO. It is also much less likely to
yellow. Most preformed windshields are acrylic and acrylic is cheaper
too. I drilled the holes oversize in the plastic and then used pop
rivets with aluminum mandrels which don't pull near as hard as avex or
expand radially.

Ken

bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

Remember too that lexan is brand name for polycarbonate ...just in case
what you find is not specifically lexan.
-Ben

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Dale Fultz · Post by **Dale Fultz** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Moose N269DF IO-540 straight pipes out the bottom = loud= = good
headset.

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Eddie Moran · Post by **Eddie Moran** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Builders,

In so far as my windows for sale.

I really do not know what they are worth but I can say that I think the installation is fairly easy and the end result was fantastic on the rear four windows on each side.

The windows that I have for sale are the front ones (the ones that are next to you while you are flying). They are grey and bubbled.

I admire those that are building these things and I will sell the parts that I have at a fair price.

If someone is coming to AirVenture and can do some work on my Moose.........maybe we can work a trade.

Eddie Moran

Ken <klehman@albedo.net> wrote:
FWIW I just went down to Home Depot/ Rona/ local lumber store and bought
acrylic about 0.080" thick. They all had numerous sizes precut. I did
not want Lexan even though I had it and it was available in all the same
stores. Acrylic is much easier to crack but much more resistant to
crazing from chemicals and fuel IMO. It is also much less likely to
yellow. Most preformed windshields are acrylic and acrylic is cheaper
too. I drilled the holes oversize in the plastic and then used pop
rivets with aluminum mandrels which don't pull near as hard as avex or
expand radially.

Ken

bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

Remember too that lexan is brand name for polycarbonate ...just in case
what you find is not specifically lexan.
-Ben

On 5/30/2007 8:48 AM, "Garry Wright" wrote:

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Eddie Moran · Post by **Eddie Moran** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Dale, how did the headliner work?

Are you going to AirVenture 2007?

What type of headsets do you recommend?

Eddie Moran

Dale Fultz <dfultz17086@earthlink.net> wrote:
Moose N269DF IO-540 straight pipes out the bottom = loud= = good
headset.

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Garry Wright · Post by **Garry Wright** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Thanks Ken. I guess your kit might be fairly old with the 1/16" windows.
I will look carefully to see if it is significantly more work to do the
install with thicker before jumping into that. The side windows are
materially degraded compared to the windscreen but there is a big
difference in age as well. The windscreen is as new. Wayne installed it
around 2001. The side windows are 1992, but outside only a small part of
that time. I will check out the acrylic.

Garry

Ken wrote:

FWIW I just went down to Home Depot/ Rona/ local lumber store and bought
acrylic about 0.080" thick. They all had numerous sizes precut. I did
not want Lexan even though I had it and it was available in all the same
stores. Acrylic is much easier to crack but much more resistant to
crazing from chemicals and fuel IMO. It is also much less likely to
yellow. Most preformed windshields are acrylic and acrylic is cheaper
too. I drilled the holes oversize in the plastic and then used pop
rivets with aluminum mandrels which don't pull near as hard as avex or
expand radially.

Ken

bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

Remember too that lexan is brand name for polycarbonate ...just in case
what you find is not specifically lexan.
-Ben

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steve whitenect · Post by **steve whitenect** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Garry
If u don't have an ANR head set, get divorced and buy a good set. I was/am a
commercial pilot and if it wasn't for a good David Clark ANR set, my hearing
would be alot worse than what it is. It's worth the money and if u have a
couple more bucks, get the Bose.

Steve W 637R

From: Garry Wright <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:47:26 -0600

Thanks Ron. It will be done. Both sides and hopefully prior to the ramble.

Garry

Ron Shannon wrote:
In the booklet "How to Soundproof Light Aircraft" available from
http://www.soundproofing.org (also via ACS) they are very clear that one
of the the best things you can do to reduce noise is use thicker window
material.

Garry Wright wrote:
...
Does quieter actually follow thicker? I am looking at ways to lower the
racket other than active headsets which do a commendable job by the
way.
Has anyone actually verified this?

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Garry Wright · Post by **Garry Wright** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

You are right on Steve. I have the Lightspeed G4 and it works
beautifully. I don't have ANR for my passenger though. : (

Garry

steve whitenect wrote:

Garry
If u don't have an ANR head set, get divorced and buy a good set. I was/am a
commercial pilot and if it wasn't for a good David Clark ANR set, my hearing
would be alot worse than what it is. It's worth the money and if u have a
couple more bucks, get the Bose.

Steve W 637R

From: Garry Wright <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
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To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Door Windows
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:47:26 -0600

Thanks Ron. It will be done. Both sides and hopefully prior to the ramble.

Garry

Ron Shannon wrote:
In the booklet "How to Soundproof Light Aircraft" available from
http://www.soundproofing.org (also via ACS) they are very clear that one
of the the best things you can do to reduce noise is use thicker window
material.

Garry Wright wrote:
...
way.
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NormIsler · Post by **NormIsler** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

I recently researched the subject of ANR vs standard headsets, and there is
no doubt that the ANR versions are well worth the extra. Just an additional
tidbit as food for thought.

Bose and David Clark both have relatively new models, The Bose "X" at $995US
and the Clark "X-11" at about $799US. Both of these are outstanding units
with low weight and minimal "clamping force." (Otherwise knows as what makes
your head feel as though it were in a vise after being worn for a while.) Both
these units use a lot of electronic wizardry (and owner dollars) to provide
the active noise reduction.

I found that David Clark also had the H10-13X model at just about $550US.
Lightspeed has the 30-3G model for a similar price. Although slightly "older"
models, they utilize the passive technology a bit more (sealing noise out vs
canceling it electronically.) As a result, if they stop "actively" canceling
noise, maybe because I forgot to bring out a new 9 volt battery to the airport
today, they still do a better job of sealing out the noise then the newer,
more expensive models.

So far I have logged several flights, the longest about 3 straight hours
with my new David Clark 10-13XL.

I couldn't be happier.

Just my $.02

Norm Isler
Elite 702E

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Dionne, Jacques · Post by **Dionne, Jacques** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:08 pm

I have the same model and I concur. Worth the $

Cheers! Jacques Dionne

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I recently researched the subject of ANR vs standard headsets, and there is

no doubt that the ANR versions are well worth the extra. Just an additional

tidbit as food for thought.

Bose and David Clark both have relatively new models, The Bose "X" at
$995US
and the Clark "X-11" at about $799US. Both of these are outstanding units
with low weight and minimal "clamping force." (Otherwise knows as what makes

your head feel as though it were in a vise after being worn for a while.)
Both
these units use a lot of electronic wizardry (and owner dollars) to provide
the active noise reduction.

I found that David Clark also had the H10-13X model at just about $550US.
Lightspeed has the 30-3G model for a similar price. Although slightly
"older"
models, they utilize the passive technology a bit more (sealing noise out vs

canceling it electronically.) As a result, if they stop "actively" canceling

noise, maybe because I forgot to bring out a new 9 volt battery to the
airport
today, they still do a better job of sealing out the noise then the newer,
more expensive models.

So far I have logged several flights, the longest about 3 straight hours
with my new David Clark 10-13XL.

I couldn't be happier.

Just my $.02

Norm Isler
Elite 702E

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