Clarification! I am talking about the push rod that is next to the
fuselage. The interference contact point is the crown that the ball end
bearing screws into and the horn. Is there suppose to be something to
offset the push rod 1/2" away from the horn?
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Muller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:12 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
I read through what I could find on the list regarding the controls for the
moose/2500. My manual indicates that the angle between vertical and the
horn for the torque tube is 50 degrees. Apparently there has been some
variation here, others indicated 54 degrees. When I move the stick left and
right I see interference between the push rod and the horn of the torque
tube as it pushes the horn forward. I do not get full travel!
The next issue is what is full travel? I cannot find in the manual what the
travel of the aileron should be? What are others seeing?
Rick Muller
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[rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
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Mike Kimball
[rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
I used a long bolt and a bunch of washers to offset the head of the rod end
from the control horn.
Mike
044SR
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Muller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:35 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
Clarification! I am talking about the push rod that is next to the
fuselage. The interference contact point is the crown that the ball end
bearing screws into and the horn. Is there suppose to be something to
offset the push rod 1/2" away from the horn?
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Rick
Muller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:12 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
I read through what I could find on the list regarding the controls for the
moose/2500. My manual indicates that the angle between vertical and the
horn for the torque tube is 50 degrees. Apparently there has been some
variation here, others indicated 54 degrees. When I move the stick left and
right I see interference between the push rod and the horn of the torque
tube as it pushes the horn forward. I do not get full travel!
The next issue is what is full travel? I cannot find in the manual what the
travel of the aileron should be? What are others seeing?
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
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from the control horn.
Mike
044SR
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Muller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:35 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
Clarification! I am talking about the push rod that is next to the
fuselage. The interference contact point is the crown that the ball end
bearing screws into and the horn. Is there suppose to be something to
offset the push rod 1/2" away from the horn?
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Rick
Muller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:12 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
I read through what I could find on the list regarding the controls for the
moose/2500. My manual indicates that the angle between vertical and the
horn for the torque tube is 50 degrees. Apparently there has been some
variation here, others indicated 54 degrees. When I move the stick left and
right I see interference between the push rod and the horn of the torque
tube as it pushes the horn forward. I do not get full travel!
The next issue is what is full travel? I cannot find in the manual what the
travel of the aileron should be? What are others seeing?
Rick Muller
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(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
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Mike Kimball
[rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
This info may be of use to other builders so I'm forwarding to the list.
Mike
044SR
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [mailto:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:39 PM
To: 'Rick Muller'
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
Mine is set at 50 degrees. I'm actually glad that I did it like that
instead of zero degrees or straight up and down. I installed my fuel lines
after I did the aileron connections and if it was straight up and down there
wouldn't be room for the fuel lines and my fuel shut-off valves which are on
the outside of the fuselage rib. They are bulkhead valves so the lever is
on the inside. I also have electrical wires and tubing for my pitot coming
in from the wing root, then inside the fuselage, back to the rear door post,
down under the floor and eventually up behind the panel. The control horn
would get in the way of that stuff too if it wasn't up at 50 degrees.
Mike
044SR
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Muller [mailto:rickhm@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:09 AM
To: mkimball@gci.net
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
Mike,
What angle did you install your horn (the one at the wing root by the
fuselage)? Old manuals have 54 degrees, less old manuals have 50 and the
chapter 12 on the Murphy web site indicates zero degrees. This is all
relative to vertical. So if you did zero degrees, in the neutral position,
the horn would be straight up and down. I am guessing yours isn't zero. I
am currently at 50 degrees. If it were straight up and down, I think there
would be plenty of clearance. The Murphy site chapter 12 (tech support
section) also indicates up and down 12 degrees of travel in the aileron and
some other useful info.
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Mike
Kimball
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:01 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
I used a long bolt and a bunch of washers to offset the head of the rod end
from the control horn.
Mike
044SR
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Muller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:35 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
Clarification! I am talking about the push rod that is next to the
fuselage. The interference contact point is the crown that the ball end
bearing screws into and the horn. Is there suppose to be something to
offset the push rod 1/2" away from the horn?
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Rick
Muller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:12 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
I read through what I could find on the list regarding the controls for the
moose/2500. My manual indicates that the angle between vertical and the
horn for the torque tube is 50 degrees. Apparently there has been some
variation here, others indicated 54 degrees. When I move the stick left and
right I see interference between the push rod and the horn of the torque
tube as it pushes the horn forward. I do not get full travel!
The next issue is what is full travel? I cannot find in the manual what the
travel of the aileron should be? What are others seeing?
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
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Mike
044SR
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [mailto:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:39 PM
To: 'Rick Muller'
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
Mine is set at 50 degrees. I'm actually glad that I did it like that
instead of zero degrees or straight up and down. I installed my fuel lines
after I did the aileron connections and if it was straight up and down there
wouldn't be room for the fuel lines and my fuel shut-off valves which are on
the outside of the fuselage rib. They are bulkhead valves so the lever is
on the inside. I also have electrical wires and tubing for my pitot coming
in from the wing root, then inside the fuselage, back to the rear door post,
down under the floor and eventually up behind the panel. The control horn
would get in the way of that stuff too if it wasn't up at 50 degrees.
Mike
044SR
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Muller [mailto:rickhm@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:09 AM
To: mkimball@gci.net
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
Mike,
What angle did you install your horn (the one at the wing root by the
fuselage)? Old manuals have 54 degrees, less old manuals have 50 and the
chapter 12 on the Murphy web site indicates zero degrees. This is all
relative to vertical. So if you did zero degrees, in the neutral position,
the horn would be straight up and down. I am guessing yours isn't zero. I
am currently at 50 degrees. If it were straight up and down, I think there
would be plenty of clearance. The Murphy site chapter 12 (tech support
section) also indicates up and down 12 degrees of travel in the aileron and
some other useful info.
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Mike
Kimball
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:01 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
I used a long bolt and a bunch of washers to offset the head of the rod end
from the control horn.
Mike
044SR
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Muller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:35 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
Clarification! I am talking about the push rod that is next to the
fuselage. The interference contact point is the crown that the ball end
bearing screws into and the horn. Is there suppose to be something to
offset the push rod 1/2" away from the horn?
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Rick
Muller
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:12 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] MOOSE: Aileron travel
I read through what I could find on the list regarding the controls for the
moose/2500. My manual indicates that the angle between vertical and the
horn for the torque tube is 50 degrees. Apparently there has been some
variation here, others indicated 54 degrees. When I move the stick left and
right I see interference between the push rod and the horn of the torque
tube as it pushes the horn forward. I do not get full travel!
The next issue is what is full travel? I cannot find in the manual what the
travel of the aileron should be? What are others seeing?
Rick Muller
(303) 664 9219 Home
(303) 641 6623 Cell
rickhm@comcast.net
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