murphy-rebel Digest for 11 Jul 2000

[Mnleber]

I too tried to contact the MAM site last night and a note came up saying the
site was unavailable.

With regards to rivets I spoke to Brian Godden and Elaine and arranged for an
exchange of 10000 rivets. The approach from MAM is that the older rivets will
be adequate on any joint thicker than about .050" and all interior parts
where a mandrel protruding slightly won't matter. The 10000 replacement
rivets are supposedly for the external parts where skins are being installed
and the joint may be only .032" where you definitely don't want to have to
file a head down. MAM state that the older rivets are structurally adequate
and this is the info they also received from their supplier RIVETS UNLIMITED.
It appears that RU have told MAM that the rivets are adequate and as a result
MAM is being forced to eat the cost of the bad rivets we are sending back for
replacement.

So far the AVEX rivets and some 1000 Textron rivets I received from another
source are 100%.

I used a number of CS1213 countersink rivets this past weekend and had a few
mandrels protruding similarly to the RU rivets so it would seem that RU
rivets in general should be avoided for ascetic purposes!!!

Best approach is contact the factory. Arrange to send back rivets. I mailed
mine, cost approx $14 and received new ones within about 2 weeks by mail

Mike Le Ber R683

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[Randy Straeten]

If you have a bad batch of rivets from MAM, they have said send them back
with your serial number and they will replace them with new rivets from the
old manufacture they used to use (the good ones). Address the box to
shipping with the contents and serial number clearly marked. $35 for 10,000
rivets to go from Toronto to BC via ground shipping

Good Luck



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murphy-rebel Digest for 11 Jul 2000

Topics covered in this issue include:

1: MAM Web Site & Rivets
by "David A. Ricker" <ricker@dbis.ns.ca>
2: Re: MAM Web Site & Rivets
by LisaFly99@aol.com
3: Re: Vertical Stabilizer (Fin) Assembly
by Richard DeCiero <rsdec1@star.net>
4: MAM Web Site & Rivets
by David A. Ricker <ricker@dbis.ns.ca>
5: Re: MAM Web Site & Rivets
by Terry McClary <tlmcclary@juno.com>



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From: "David A. Ricker" <ricker@dbis.ns.ca>
To: Rebel List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: MAM Web Site & Rivets

Hi Folks

I have tried for the last couple of days to access the MAM site and have
been met with the message "does not have a DNS entry". Is it my ISP
(firewall?) or is the site down?

The rivets part is why I want to go there, to find the details of the
bad rivet issue to quote them in my communication.

Has any one contacted MAM yet about replacement rivets? What was the
response? How is the replacement handled, exchange of rivets or does
MAM just send them out?

Thanks

Dave R.

--
David A. Ricker P. Eng.
Nova Scotia
Canada
ricker@dbis.ns.ca




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From: LisaFly99@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAM Web Site & Rivets
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com

In a message dated 7/11/00 7:52:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
ricker@dbis.ns.ca writes:

<< I have tried for the last couple of days to access the MAM site and

have

been met with the message "does not have a DNS entry". Is it my ISP
(firewall?) or is the site down? >>
DAVE
I've had the same problem here in the midwest of the USA. So it's not you

or

you're ISP.
Phil&Lisa Smith #460 N414D

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From: Richard DeCiero <rsdec1@star.net>
To: " (Murphy Rebel Builders List)" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Vertical Stabilizer (Fin) Assembly

Roger and Alice,
Your message prompted me to inspect my assembled parts. My Fin-33

attach bracket is

.125 thick. The spar and doubler have an assembled/combined thickness of

.110" at the

flanges. Each piece appears to be .050" thick. The three piece assembly

after riveted

with 1613's measured .230 with a micrometer. I wonder if the spar or the

doubler was

thickened up? My Rebel is S/N 446. Any and all comments welcomed.
Thanks,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 446


Roger & Alice Hoffman wrote:

I've riveted the Fin Stabilizer Attach Bracket (FIN-33) to the Fin Main

Spar

(ST-27) with the RV-1613 rivets as called for in the manual (9.3; #3).

The

mandrel head on all 9 rivets does not appear to have pulled very far at

all

into the barrel of the rivet. In most cases the end of the rivet barrel

does

not wrap past the point of the mandrel head's maximum diameter.

I measured the thickness of the assembled parts (attach brkt; spar; and
doubler) at .280 inch thick. The manual says the RV-1613's grip length

is

1/4 inch. All three pieces appear to be mated firmly against each other

(no

burr's, and chromated between the parts).

I did not like the looks of the RV-1613's. I drilled them out and

replaced

them with RV-1619's which, according to the manual, have a grip length

of

3/8ths inch.

I could not see any problem doing so. However, being new at this, I

wanted

to ask for (anyone's) opinions.

I faxed this question to MAM Tech last week but have not had a response

from

them. I'm assuming they are probably all at Arlington.

R. Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA

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From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: MAM Web Site & Rivets

David,

Mike Le Ber had 10,000 of his RV1410's replaced recently! How did you do

it

Mike??????

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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From: David A. Ricker <ricker@dbis.ns.ca>
To: Rebel List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:52 PM
Subject: MAM Web Site & Rivets

Hi Folks

I have tried for the last couple of days to access the MAM site and have
been met with the message "does not have a DNS entry". Is it my ISP
(firewall?) or is the site down?

The rivets part is why I want to go there, to find the details of the
bad rivet issue to quote them in my communication.

Has any one contacted MAM yet about replacement rivets? What was the
response? How is the replacement handled, exchange of rivets or does
MAM just send them out?

Thanks

Dave R.

--
David A. Ricker P. Eng.
Nova Scotia
Canada
ricker@dbis.ns.ca

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To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: MAM Web Site & Rivets
From: Terry McClary <tlmcclary@juno.com>

David,

After reading your message I tried to access the Murphy site was given
the message that the site was not available.

I read their communication on rivets and felt it was a little vague.
They acknowledge a problem can exist but did not go so far as to say they
were replacing everything they have shipped. I believe the message was
to contact the factory for further information. I have a little while
before I am ready so I have not contacted them yet to find out how they
are handling the situation.

Terry

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:49:21 -0300 "David A. Ricker" <ricker@dbis.ns.ca>
writes:

Hi Folks

I have tried for the last couple of days to access the MAM site and
have
been met with the message "does not have a DNS entry". Is it my
ISP
(firewall?) or is the site down?

The rivets part is why I want to go there, to find the details of
the
bad rivet issue to quote them in my communication.

Has any one contacted MAM yet about replacement rivets? What was
the
response? How is the replacement handled, exchange of rivets or
does
MAM just send them out?

Thanks

Dave R.

--
David A. Ricker P. Eng.
Nova Scotia
Canada
ricker@dbis.ns.ca

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