Tank Riveting

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

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Warren,

If you haven't already and your tanks hold pressure, DO NOT use Sloshing
Compound when it is not neccessary. It will come back to haunt you one
day!!!! (if you have an non-accessable leak you have no real choice) And yes
as you have stated, bigger is better and easier to build than the standard
Rebel. I found it very enjoyable doing the SR tanks area as compared to the
standard rebel. The nicest thing being the straight cut tank and wing skins,
as opposed to the L shaped cut out on the Rebel wing skin and the rear
bulkheads that had to be installed for the tank.

Blue skies,
Wayne

P.S. That throttle quadrant going to work for you?? If it doesn't, when you
sell it to someone else, the plastic cover alone sells at $71 U.S. from Wag
Aero.

-----Original Message-----
From: Warren T. Montgomery <monty@emirates.net.ae>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Tank Riveting

On my first SR wing with the extended tanks there is no access to the

second and third bay so

I wasn't able to fillet these bays nor use the "A" however got lucky.
For the rest I used PRC "B" then "A" with no leaks. I'll also follow with a

slosh as I'll be

using Mogas in the M14P.
.As I'm ready to close the second wing I'll follow Wrays hint and make a

fillet ahead of time

in the 2nd and 3rd bay on the main and rear spars. Great idea!
For those unaware, the SR fuel tank is from the Spar to Spar, the Rebel is

Spar to false

Spar. Tough break Rebel guys ;-(

From: Wray Thompson <wrayt@idirect.com>
To: " (Murphy Rebel Builders List)" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Tank rivetting was Re: Rebel "652"

For anyone who is not putting in tank access holes what I did was cleco a

small piece of

al to the 4th rib and each stringer on the top and give a good proseal

coat to this area

when i coated all the seams and bottom skin rivets. Later I then removed

the aluminum

bits just before coating everything for the top skin install.

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[Bob Patterson]

DON'T SLOSH !!! Especially if you will use mogas !!! Sloshing is
NEVER a good idea - if you already have a good tank, you're just
<asking> for trouble ! Even if the sloshing didn't come loose,
it can soften Pro-Seal and CAUSE leaks !!

We had videos of what happened to the sloshing when it hit mogas
(possible containing alcohol ...) - it made a big, messy blob that
blocked the outlet lines, and forced the builder to remove the tank
top and scoop all the gunk out & re-proseal !! Horrible mess !!
It seems NONE of the sloshing compounds are approved for mogas, and,
in any case, sloshing should NOT be necessary. I doubt that Boeing
or Lockheed would even think of using it !

.....bobp

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At 05:22 PM 4/6/00 +0400, you wrote:

On my first SR wing with the extended tanks there is no access to the

second and third bay so

I wasn't able to fillet these bays nor use the "A" however got lucky.
For the rest I used PRC "B" then "A" with no leaks. I'll also follow with a

slosh as I'll be

using Mogas in the M14P.
.As I'm ready to close the second wing I'll follow Wrays hint and make a

fillet ahead of time

in the 2nd and 3rd bay on the main and rear spars. Great idea!
For those unaware, the SR fuel tank is from the Spar to Spar, the Rebel is

Spar to false

Spar. Tough break Rebel guys ;-(

From: Wray Thompson <wrayt@idirect.com>
To: " (Murphy Rebel Builders List)" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Tank rivetting was Re: Rebel "652"

For anyone who is not putting in tank access holes what I did was cleco a

small piece of

al to the 4th rib and each stringer on the top and give a good proseal

coat to this area

when i coated all the seams and bottom skin rivets. Later I then removed

the aluminum

bits just before coating everything for the top skin install.

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[Warren T. Montgomery]

On my first SR wing with the extended tanks there is no access to the second and third bay so
I wasn't able to fillet these bays nor use the "A" however got lucky.
For the rest I used PRC "B" then "A" with no leaks. I'll also follow with a slosh as I'll be
using Mogas in the M14P.
.As I'm ready to close the second wing I'll follow Wrays hint and make a fillet ahead of time
in the 2nd and 3rd bay on the main and rear spars. Great idea!
For those unaware, the SR fuel tank is from the Spar to Spar, the Rebel is Spar to false
Spar. Tough break Rebel guys ;-(

From: Wray Thompson <wrayt@idirect.com>
To: " (Murphy Rebel Builders List)" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Tank rivetting was Re: Rebel "652"

For anyone who is not putting in tank access holes what I did was cleco a small piece of
al to the 4th rib and each stringer on the top and give a good proseal coat to this area
when i coated all the seams and bottom skin rivets. Later I then removed the aluminum
bits just before coating everything for the top skin install.

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

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Warren, if you have a leak that is impossible to get at then this would be
the only time to use alcohol resistant slosh. Otherwise, cut a hole in the
wing, preferably outside the tank (I sealed up MAM's lower access holes
before I even installed the tanks skin, stupid place to put 2 holes and a
100 extra rivets) and put the PRC to the leak! Then of course do a doubler
around the access hole and cover. Fasten with screws and anchor (or clip)
nuts. That way you can get in there again if necessary with minimal effort.

No I haven't seen the controls installed in an SR yet. Yes I have some yokes
out of various aircraft. I will see if I have an assembled set with the
mechanisms still in tack and determine if they could be widened to fit the
width of the SR and I will let you know. Good luck with the Archangel PFD
presentation.

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca


-----Original Message-----
From: Warren T. Montgomery <monty@emirates.net.ae>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 3:34 AM
Subject: Re:Tank Riveting

Wayne & BobP

Thanks guys, I've heard conflicting info on PRC. Seen a rep at OSK that was

suppose to send some

tech info but never did.
I have the specs on PRCs 1422A and it appears to be able to withstand

anything. I had bought a

Gal. of Randolfs sloshing that is Mogas compatible. However if PRC A & B

will not break down

under North American (10% alcohol) Mogas then I'll gladly not use. Have

guys been using sloshing

for leaks as opposed to coating the PRC?

Wayne, the quadrant should work great however I won't need the mixture

lever as the M14 has auto

mixture. Maybe I can use for the cooling louvers. Have been helping

Archangel with the

presentation ot their PFD2000. It will look a lot different then what

you've seen in the past.

We're trying to use the best of the industry without infringing patents. I

of course am pushing

to get it as close to the 777 PFD as possible. Have you seen the under

floor flight control set

up on the SR as yet? I would like to install control wheels. Comments? Any

in stock? Before all

you guys promote the merits of Joy sticks, I've flown Fast Jets, Helos,

Widebody etc and I now

like my control wheel!! :-)

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>

DO NOT use Sloshing Compound when it is not necessary. It will come back to

haunt you one day!!!!

P.S. That throttle quadrant going to work for you?? If it doesn't, when

you

sell it to someone else, the plastic cover alone sells at $71 U.S. from

Wag

Aero.

Wayne

From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
DON'T SLOSH !!! Especially if you will use mogas !!! Sloshing is NEVER

a good idea -

.....bobp

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[Warren T. Montgomery]

Wayne & BobP

Thanks guys, I've heard conflicting info on PRC. Seen a rep at OSK that was suppose to send some
tech info but never did.
I have the specs on PRCs 1422A and it appears to be able to withstand anything. I had bought a
Gal. of Randolfs sloshing that is Mogas compatible. However if PRC A & B will not break down
under North American (10% alcohol) Mogas then I'll gladly not use. Have guys been using sloshing
for leaks as opposed to coating the PRC?

Wayne, the quadrant should work great however I won't need the mixture lever as the M14 has auto
mixture. Maybe I can use for the cooling louvers. Have been helping Archangel with the
presentation ot their PFD2000. It will look a lot different then what you've seen in the past.
We're trying to use the best of the industry without infringing patents. I of course am pushing
to get it as close to the 777 PFD as possible. Have you seen the under floor flight control set
up on the SR as yet? I would like to install control wheels. Comments? Any in stock? Before all
you guys promote the merits of Joy sticks, I've flown Fast Jets, Helos, Widebody etc and I now
like my control wheel!! :-)

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>

DO NOT use Sloshing Compound when it is not necessary. It will come back to haunt you one day!!!!

P.S. That throttle quadrant going to work for you?? If it doesn't, when you
sell it to someone else, the plastic cover alone sells at $71 U.S. from Wag
Aero.

Wayne

From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
DON'T SLOSH !!! Especially if you will use mogas !!! Sloshing is NEVER a good idea -

.....bobp

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[Bob Patterson]

I think the thinner <2 part> Pro-Seal (brushable) is OK - the Randolph
HAS BEEN a problem ...

Best NOT to slosh if you don't have a problem. Sloshing was meant to
be an emergency field repair, followed by tank replacement !

Only disadvantage to yokes is the added complication & possibility
of jams or reduced control movement .... not insurmountable, just adds
to build time !

....bobp

(off to Sun 'n Fun tomorrow :-) )

--------------------------------orig.---------------------------------------
At 11:24 AM 4/7/00 +0400, you wrote:

Wayne & BobP

Thanks guys, I've heard conflicting info on PRC. Seen a rep at OSK that was

suppose to send some

tech info but never did.
I have the specs on PRCs 1422A and it appears to be able to withstand

anything. I had bought a

Gal. of Randolfs sloshing that is Mogas compatible. However if PRC A & B

will not break down

under North American (10% alcohol) Mogas then I'll gladly not use. Have

guys been using sloshing

for leaks as opposed to coating the PRC?

Wayne, the quadrant should work great however I won't need the mixture

lever as the M14 has auto

mixture. Maybe I can use for the cooling louvers. Have been helping

Archangel with the

presentation ot their PFD2000. It will look a lot different then what

you've seen in the past.

We're trying to use the best of the industry without infringing patents. I

of course am pushing

to get it as close to the 777 PFD as possible. Have you seen the under

floor flight control set

up on the SR as yet? I would like to install control wheels. Comments? Any

in stock? Before all

you guys promote the merits of Joy sticks, I've flown Fast Jets, Helos,

Widebody etc and I now

like my control wheel!! :-)

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>

DO NOT use Sloshing Compound when it is not necessary. It will come back to

haunt you one day!!!!

P.S. That throttle quadrant going to work for you?? If it doesn't, when you
sell it to someone else, the plastic cover alone sells at $71 U.S. from Wag
Aero.

Wayne

From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
DON'T SLOSH !!! Especially if you will use mogas !!! Sloshing is NEVER

a good idea -

.....bobp

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