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Wayne G. O'Shea

Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:04 am

The original Halon extinguishers where banded here in Canada as, I believe,
they (like many other things) helped eat a hole in the Ozone layer.
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Murray Cherkas" <cherkas@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite

Keith:

I'm not a techy. Don't ask the hard questions. You'll have to go to your
fire extinguisher plac e on that one.

Good luck
Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Keith B. Oliver
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:21 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite


Thanks
What's the difference ?

Keith Oliver
kboliver@adelphia.net
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine




-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Murray Cherkas
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:56 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite


Keith:

Halon is a thing of the past up here. We now use "Haletron". Iput a 5.3
pounder between the seats.

Good Luck
Murray



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Keith B. Oliver
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:10 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite


I am planning to add a Halon fire suppression system to my ac
Haven't fully thought it out yet.
Thinking along the lines of a perforated tube inside of cowl area,
connected
to a portable Halon type extinguisher (allows for dual use) in the cockpit
Thinking Stage

Keith Oliver
kboliver@adelphia.net
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine




-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Walter Klatt
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:08 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite


Reminds me of the some of the discussions I've had with
non-flying people. If they really listened to themselves, they
wouldn't drive either. We're all going to die, it's just a
question of when. But while I'm down here, I'm going to make the
most of it, and for as long as possible. That's means avoiding
stupid risks, and minimizing the rest at a reasonable cost. And
that requires information and listening to past experience.

So having said that, I wouldn't mind hearing of in-flight fires
under the cowl. Does that really happen? I would shut off the
fuel. Wouldn't that stop it pretty quick? I can see the ground
one being more likely, trying to start a flooded engine, but at
worst I would jump out of the airplane in that case. And in a
crash, I think wings tanks are definitely a good thing.

I know fibreglass can burn, so not sure if these cowls can be
more of a risk in that regard. Again, am having trouble imagining
how that can happen in flight. However, one of the locals here
wants to do his cowl using some kind of fire resistant additive
or material. I just don't know if this is a real risk or not.

Would be interested in your opinions on the risk side and
examples of in-flight engine fires.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Legeorgen@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 8:39 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite


Makes you want to quit flying, eh? There is a lot of
truth to the saying "a
flying coffin."

Bruce




Not a fire hazard in flight! Just when you crash and
the thing bust open all
over your lap and just then a wire pops off a switch
to add the spark!!. 99%
of the Zenairs out there are this way, as are Taylor
crafts, J3/J4/J5 cubs
etc all have a nose tank up under the panel.
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Murray Cherkas" <cherkas@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:05 PM
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite

Just a thought. What about all those planes with
header tanks sitting on
the
pilots lap.
Murray

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Wayne G. O'Shea

Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:04 am

I always understood that Halon was the "shooter" of choice for computer
stuff. We had 3 very large halon Extinguishers in the Consumers Glass
furnace control/computer room. We were told that they were the only thing we
were to use if all hell broke loose in the computer panel/hardwire cabinets,
as being a liquefied gas they are supposed to leave nothing behind after
usage on the components. Guess maybe going in they could short a lot of
stuff our, but luckily never got to find out. Maybe it was the fact that
conductivity back to the extinguisher operator wasn't an issue and not that
it wouldn't damage the equipment.. Maybe I better do some readying through
that stuff the Roger just supplied!!

NO matter what you chose to use, make sure you take a BIG deep breath
before you squeeze the trigger!!!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite

Another bad thing about Halon is that it's very hard on electronics... if
you didn't black out from lack of oxygen after firing one off in a
cockpit,
you'd probably still destroy your radio stack.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite

The original Halon extinguishers where banded here in Canada as, I
believe,
they (like many other things) helped eat a hole in the Ozone layer.
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Murray Cherkas" <cherkas@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite

Keith:

I'm not a techy. Don't ask the hard questions. You'll have to go to
your
fire extinguisher plac e on that one.

Good luck
Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Keith B. Oliver
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:21 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite


Thanks
What's the difference ?

Keith Oliver
kboliver@adelphia.net
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine




-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Murray Cherkas
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:56 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite


Keith:

Halon is a thing of the past up here. We now use "Haletron". Iput a
5.3
pounder between the seats.

Good Luck
Murray



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Keith B. Oliver
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:10 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite


I am planning to add a Halon fire suppression system to my ac
Haven't fully thought it out yet.
Thinking along the lines of a perforated tube inside of cowl area,
connected
to a portable Halon type extinguisher (allows for dual use) in the
cockpit
Thinking Stage

Keith Oliver
kboliver@adelphia.net
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine




-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Walter Klatt
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:08 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Windshield hanging over firewall lip - Rebel/Elite


Reminds me of the some of the discussions I've had with
non-flying people. If they really listened to themselves, they
wouldn't drive either. We're all going to die, it's just a
question of when. But while I'm down here, I'm going to make the
most of it, and for as long as possible. That's means avoiding
stupid risks, and minimizing the rest at a reasonable cost. And
that requires information and listening to past experience.

So having said that, I wouldn't mind hearing of in-flight fires
under the cowl. Does that really happen? I would shut off the
fuel. Wouldn't that stop it pretty quick? I can see the ground
one being more likely, trying to start a flooded engine, but at
worst I would jump out of the airplane in that case. And in a
crash, I think wings tanks are definitely a good thing.

I know fibreglass can burn, so not sure if these cowls can be
more of a risk in that regard. Again, am having trouble imagining
how that can happen in flight. However, one of the locals here
wants to do his cowl using some kind of fire resistant additive
or material. I just don't know if this is a real risk or not.

Would be interested in your opinions on the risk side and
examples of in-flight engine fires.

Walter
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