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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm

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Sorry to hear you had problems, Bill. I hear this is fairly common with
chrome bores - but a hone job sometimes lets you try again, and often
succeeds .....

There have been problems with the Cermichrome process, too, but it
seems like a better way to go ... The Nikasil cylinders on the 912
work GREAT !

.....bobp

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At 12:42 PM 8/17/99 EDT, you wrote:

I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT PARTS YOU HAVE TO OFFER FOR A REBEL.

MINE HAS FLOWN 5 TIMES, BUT IT WAS BLOWING A LOT OF OIL. WE REMOVED THE
CYLINDERS AND FOUND THAT THE RINGS WERE NOT SEATING ON THE CHROME BORES.

BILL NEWKIRK, #376
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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm

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BOB, THANKS FOR YOUR SYMPATHY.
I SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED USING A 912 BEFORE I SETTLED ON THE O-290, BUT D.
MURPHY TOLD ME THAT I WOULD BE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE PERFORMANCE HERE IN THE
WESTERN U.S. NOW I WONDER, PARTICULARLY WHEN I HEAR YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE 912
IN SUCH GLOWING TERMS.
BY THE WAY, I WAS BORN IN WALLACEBURG AND RAISED IN LONDON BUT HAVE BEEN IN
CALIF. FOR MANY YEARS.

BILL NEWKIRK

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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm

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bill the nikasil bob p. mentioned on the 912, is the same process =
different name offered by engine components inc (ECI) 1-800-324-2359 =
called cermiNil,
peter k.
SR003=20

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Subject: Re: cylinders

BOB, THANKS FOR YOUR SYMPATHY.
I SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED USING A 912 BEFORE I SETTLED ON THE O-290, BUT =

D.=20

MURPHY TOLD ME THAT I WOULD BE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE PERFORMANCE HERE =

IN THE=20

WESTERN U.S. NOW I WONDER, PARTICULARLY WHEN I HEAR YOU SPEAK ABOUT =

THE 912=20

IN SUCH GLOWING TERMS.
BY THE WAY, I WAS BORN IN WALLACEBURG AND RAISED IN LONDON BUT HAVE =

BEEN IN=20

CALIF. FOR MANY YEARS.

BILL NEWKIRK
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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm

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Now that the 100 HP. 912-S is available, it might be a reasonable
choice .... We've certainly been a lot of places with the old 912,
lugging a lot of gear ! :-)

London's only about 90 miles away !! Small world !!! One of these
years, I'd like to get out to California - we've been to Florida often,
and the west coast of Canada, and I've flown a Rebel up to Kuujuaq, near
the Arctic, but have never had a chance to visit the south-west - maybe
one day !!

Hope honing the cylinders will do the trick !

....bobp

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At 06:23 PM 8/20/99 EDT, you wrote:

BOB, THANKS FOR YOUR SYMPATHY.
I SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED USING A 912 BEFORE I SETTLED ON THE O-290, BUT D.
MURPHY TOLD ME THAT I WOULD BE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE PERFORMANCE HERE IN

THE

WESTERN U.S. NOW I WONDER, PARTICULARLY WHEN I HEAR YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE

912

IN SUCH GLOWING TERMS.
BY THE WAY, I WAS BORN IN WALLACEBURG AND RAISED IN LONDON BUT HAVE BEEN IN
CALIF. FOR MANY YEARS.

BILL NEWKIRK
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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm

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Bill & Bob
In regards to your comments and problems with oil consumption. I have used
chrome cyls. on

L-0360 engs. and overhauled several engs. using re-chromed or just honed and
etched barrels.

Not to be confused with "cermichrome" cyls. I have found the best way to
break in new cyls.

was to run the eng. hard, that is, high man. press. and high rpm from the
very start. I

have even gone so far as to start the eng at the end of the runway and take
off

immeadiately. Of course a short run after eng. installation to check for oil
leaks is

nessary but at all costs avoid ideling or low power settings in the air. I
try to run a new

eng. for 2-3 hrs. on the first flight.

I use non dispersant mineral oil for about the first 50 hrs. changing at 10
and 25 hr.

intervals. I use 1-2 qts. the first 10 hrs. After the eng. is "broken in"
(100 hrs.) I will

use about 1 qt every 10-15 hrs. I don't think chrome cyls. will ever be as
oil consumption

free as steel cyls. but I sure do think they last a lot longer. The main
thing about new

chrome cyls. is NOT TO BABY THEM!!

With this method I have had engs. go to 1700 hrs. with still good chrome in
the barrels and

good compression.
Hope this is of some help to you

Alex Russell

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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm

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Thanks for the tips, Alex ! I'm sure they'll help several builders,
when it's flying time !! :-)
.....bobp

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At 10:53 PM 8/20/99 EDT, you wrote:

Bill & Bob
In regards to your comments and problems with oil consumption. I have used

chrome cyls. on L-0360 engs. and overhauled several engs. using re-chromed
or just honed and etched barrels. Not to be confused with "cermichrome"
cyls. I have found the best way to break in new cyls. was to run the eng.
hard, that is, high man. press. and high rpm from the very start. I have
even gone so far as to start the eng at the end of the runway and take off
immeadiately. Of course a short run after eng. installation to check for oil
leaks is nessary but at all costs avoid ideling or low power settings in the
air. I try to run a new eng. for 2-3 hrs. on the first flight.

I use non dispersant mineral oil for about the first 50 hrs. changing at 10

and 25 hr. intervals. I use 1-2 qts. the first 10 hrs. After the eng. is
"broken in" (100 hrs.) I will use about 1 qt every 10-15 hrs. I don't think
chrome cyls. will ever be as oil consumption free as steel cyls. but I sure
do think they last a lot longer. The main thing about new chrome cyls. is
NOT TO BABY THEM!!

With this method I have had engs. go to 1700 hrs. with still good chrome in

the barrels and good compression.

Hope this is of some help to you

Alex Russell

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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm

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For those interested I found out recently that Lycoming produce a video on
how to look

after new or overhauled engines in the run in period and to obtain the
maximum life out of

them. I have a copy. It has the same message for running in mentioned by

AzAlexR@aol.com
That is don't baby the engine for a start. I can provide details if anyone
is interested
Mike Dowhan
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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm

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bill here is a site to help you track down your cyl problems =
http://www.sierra.net/skyranch/blow.htm=20
peter k
sr003

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Subject: Re: cylinders

BOB, THANKS FOR YOUR SYMPATHY.
I SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED USING A 912 BEFORE I SETTLED ON THE O-290, BUT =

D.=20

MURPHY TOLD ME THAT I WOULD BE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE PERFORMANCE HERE =

IN THE=20

WESTERN U.S. NOW I WONDER, PARTICULARLY WHEN I HEAR YOU SPEAK ABOUT =

THE 912=20

IN SUCH GLOWING TERMS.
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BEEN IN=20

CALIF. FOR MANY YEARS.

BILL NEWKIRK
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